Which country will you move to if Reform win next election?

[Krenonges]

Faced with the prospect of NHS being sold off, ICE-style immigration raids and deportations, emboldened bigots, changes to the school curriculum, public services dessimated, leaving EHCR, I honestly think I'll have no choice but to leave. I don't want to but I couldn't bring DC up in fascist state.

Luckily my DH, DC and I are all dual nationals of an EU country so we have an escape route if needed and this country goes to the dogs.

Where would you go?

Why not hold people to account for who they choose to vote for. There are multiple political parties to select from. Blaming one political party for how you choose to vote is childish.

In our local care home, migrant workers (58 of them) have moved from India to fill long term vacancies. Without them, there would be no care, UK citizens have not applied for the advertised vacancies. The Indian workers are all here solo, living in rooms provided on-site.

My LA also has masses of jobs in care, in school cleaning and caretaking, passenger assistants, WRAC staff - all advertised and readvertised. Plenty of vacancies for our population.

Our state benefits are much better than the UKs! Plus we have the HSE which is still better than the NHS!

Yes, I thought Singapore was an interesting place, but it's not exactly liberal, is it? Plus, gay male relationships are illegal. Perhaps @Lafufufu isn't concerned?
It seems not everyone wants to move somewhere more liberal or "free".

@BeHappySloth strange isn’t it all these posters coming out the woodwork who never seemed to post when the Tory’s were in power creating a catastrophic decline in services, allowing huge amounts of immigrants plus family in ‘to fill gaps’ - issues they created with Brexit. Going on now about tax etc- when actually Labour have changed very little on the tax front for the average Joe. As it happens I have managed to get a GP appointment within 4 days this week and we have absolutely vast amount of road repairs going on . My father in law has had a referral by his GP for some quick private paid treatment ( he doesn’t have to pay) and personally I think Labour are having a better go at stuff than the Tory’s did . I didn’t agree with the employers NI earnings rise but that’s about it - and I’m a Lib Dem voter. If the press keep posting the shit of ‘the gvt are useless’ then we get into the ‘it must be true I read it in the Sun’ territory - unfortunately for Labour they also have the ‘honey and tea for everyone, let’s just invent cash ‘ well meaning but unrealistic if the far left to deal with too

Exactly - they have some very strict laws and fall foul of them, some harsh punishments. I'm not sure if it is ignorance or a belief the grass is greener, but it's not.

And the first ‘one in, one out’ migrant flight has now been cancelled after protests. Who could have seen that coming…

People had better unfuck their heads and realise what not getting immigration under control will mean. These protesters are doing Reform’s work for them!

DH has an appointment this week to get a German passport, we've got serious plans to go to France in the not too distant future. But then we'd also consider anywhere else in Europe!

Such as? Poland? Albania? Bosnia?

Yes, I agree!

If you’re white, you’ll certainly experience a different kind of racism in most of those, but you’ll be told it’s okay, because they’re punching up.

You are tarring everyone with the same brush.

Reactionary and foolish.

I'm concerned about immigration but I certainly don't hurl abuse at anyone. Not do I wish them harm.

Your thought process is mind boggling!

@Bigwelshlamb what I don't understand is how reform is allowed to stand as a political party when it's a company and therefore not a political party. One of the saddest things I've ever seen was farage on the boat coming down the Thames with a load of fishermen out for brexit when he was the one that never attended meetings in Brussels to represent them. It is shocking how little voters know about the people they put a cross next to in elections.

Because Israel is really safe at the moment, with all the Hamas bombs 🙄

No more like Spain, Portugal, Belgium or the Netherlands!

Which countries either have no immigration pressures politically or have already sorted out hardline policy?

I can’t think of many, but maybe there are. They all seem to be facing similar issues or have out in place policy already.

Oh right. So you could get a job in any of these countries?

We’re heading to Scotland.

You can still move to France. The only thing Brexit did was ensure that France wants you because you can bring something to the table. Sorry (not sorry) if that seems unreasonable.

I love the UK and particularly England. It has gorgeous countryside and its culture is very important to me.

I will never willingly leave. I feel very lucky to have been born here. I’m patriotic in the old-fashioned, non-nationalistic sense which younger people don’t get because knowledge of this country’s rich culture is much reduced in education curriculums/curricula in the last few decades.

My children’s lovely partners are from Asian immigrant heritage- I’m not a fascist or racist, thanks, OP. I was also a remainer.

But I love my country and I’ll stay and hope to help matters if indeed they’re as catastrophic as you think.

“Labour have only nhad just over a year to start refunding the services that the Tories demolished for 14 years with austerity. And they're doing it in conditions of a very tight economy.”

Why do you think the coalition government had to make those cuts in the first place? Because of the utter shit show the last Labour government, who entered their term with a financial surplus, made if it. And don’t try to spout the old “banking crisis” excuse, because, you know, Covid; longer, worse, more expensive.

OP - whisper it but..did you know there are right-wing movements in other countries too?

Have you ever heard of Marine Le Pen? The anti - immigrant movements in Scandinavia? Are you aware of the nasty racist elements in the SNP?

Just wondering.

Anyone would think that people struggle at times in any or all countries, when culture feels undermined by uninvited strangers. Strange indeed.

From the reports in the news, Wales is likely to get a Reform government before RoUK 🤣

Yes, but look at the people on that march......
How many of them could formulate a decent argument?
All I saw were people busy pissing in the street, fighting with the police and yelling at women to 'get your tits out.'