Which country will you move to if Reform win next election?

[Krenonges]

Faced with the prospect of NHS being sold off, ICE-style immigration raids and deportations, emboldened bigots, changes to the school curriculum, public services dessimated, leaving EHCR, I honestly think I'll have no choice but to leave. I don't want to but I couldn't bring DC up in fascist state.

Luckily my DH, DC and I are all dual nationals of an EU country so we have an escape route if needed and this country goes to the dogs.

Where would you go?

I do! DC1 even bumped into Nigel'a mum in Waitrose.

Why do you say “ it definitely wouldn't stop there”? Genuinely, I don’t know the facts here.

I'd stay and fight to change things, not run off crying.

@Lilactimes Instead of blaming the 1% who own half the land in the country.

What should happen to this land? Should it be confiscated and given to the people as happened in Zimbabwe?
Would it be possible to own land or should it be nationalised and rented to farmers in the countryside and businesses in urban areas?
If it is possible to own land, what is the maximum each person could own?

The Threads on here about disabled people a few months ago showed that people are willing to go gunning for the vulnerable,it's the immigrants turn just now if they were gone it would move on to the next group.
The extreme far right are a very dangerous entity.

The furthest away country!

(sadly I'm pretty sure neither Australia nor NZ will take me).

Very disappointed with current gov but the idea of Facts as PM is frightening.

People on UC and PIP will be the first ones forced out to do the work left by immigrants. It will be benefits in return for work. It's like pensioners not realising that voting for a dismantling of the NHS and being replaced by a ' European style' healthcare system means them paying for their health insurance out of their pensions!

Oh I see. Thankyou.

You want limits to migration like in Switzerland? That won't necessarily be popular. I doubt that it would solve the small boat crossings, either.

Ireland has a massive housing crisis, to the point that many young Irish people feel they can either live with their parents till they're 30 or emigrate. My home city is a university city and there are students sleeping in tents or cars because they can't find accommodation. Also the country's beginning to see the swing to the right the rest of the west is experiencing. We just tend to be a decade behind, hence the establishment concensus still being 'George Floyd progressive'.

As for other nearby countries, Fance will quite possibly have a far right government in a decade. The Netherlands has had Far Right parties in & out of power for decades.

We don't have access to any other country by dual passport, but we could apply for a visa to stay in Spain longer than the 90 days.

We are fortunate to have enough money to meet the visa requirements and to pay for private healthcare.

After a very successful stay long term thid summer, I would definitely make the move.

No way would I remain if Reform were running the country.

Our local council has a Reform majority and is a disaster in decision-making.

Nowhere because I don't benefit from EU freedom of movement any more!
Plus I haven't no appetite to move, although I have even less appetite for Reform.

As for other nearby countries, Fance will quite possibly have a far right government in a decade. The Netherlands has had Far Right parties in & out of power for decades.

I think you've got this the wrong way round...

France could have a far right government (as in, led by a person pretending that they no longer mean what they say about deporting the children of immigrants, and with a large rank and file with convictions for violence) by the end of this year, given the way the polls are going (France has a two-stage FPTP system that would give the RN party an overall majority on about 40% of the vote).

But in the Netherlands I don't see how you get to "for decades", unless you think the VVD party counts as "far right", which it doesn't unless the Tories do — their PM of 13 years became secretary-general of NATO and has done a reasonable job of defusing Trump. The current (just fallen, still caretaker) Dutch government is the first feature a swivel-eyed party (PVV), and even then they have done a surprising number of sensible things since taking office (including supporting Ukraine). Indeed, the reason Geert Wilders collapsed the coalition is that it wasn't swivel-eyed enough for his taste.

Why blame the people?

Why not blame the incumbent party for ignoring the people and not doing something to prevent potential extremism?

I absolutely blame the government for not doing more to address this country's problems. But not all who are suffering right now as a result of those problems choose to blame migrants.

Whatever the failings of successive governments might be, nobody is being forced into adopting far right views. If people choose racism and hate, then that is entirely on them. And I blame them for that.

That's where we're different @BeHappySloth

I don't believe concern about immigration = racism and hatred.

You should take a step back and look at what's really going on here because I feel like you're just being reactionary.

I've had this conversation. But about what country if it gets much worse under Labour. Poland at the moment.

What changes to the curriculum are worrying you?

So enlighten me. Tell me what's really going on. Or at least, what you think is really going on. I'm all ears.

@BeHappySloth

I believe concern is based around services being swamped, and living standards falling for everyone as a result.

And how exactly you think "services" such as the NHS and the care sector would be performing without migration?

Many politicians are quite happy to let people like you believe that services aren't working because they're being "swamped" by migrants. It helps to distract you from the chronic failure of successive governments to invest in our public services.

It's sad to see how easy it is to manipulate people to point the finger at others.

Singapore was too hot and humid for me. I hated it. My migraines hated it. I wish you all the best, but definitely keep your English home, you may be grateful for it.

And how exactly you think "services" such as the NHS and the care sector would be performing without migration?

Agree we need NHS workers, but when one immigrant worker brings a family of 4+ with them then there is more demand than supply.

And there is no reason we couldn't hold a huge recruitment drive for the NHS within this country.

Stop patronising people @BeHappySloth. You really think you're superior don't you?

I'm not patronising anyone, and it isn't that I think I'm "superior". I just think racists are despicable. I make no apology for that.

And you're kidding yourself if you think that it isn't about racism and hate. If it was simply about concern for public services, people wouldn't be shouting racist abuse at black or brown people in the street, they wouldn't be writing racist words all over takeaway shops, they wouldn't be going out on marches to support the racist Tommy Robinson.

You aren't fooling anyone.

Moving to safety and security is not “running away crying”.

Also some of us respect the democratic process. If most Britons want Reform than I can respect that decision and seek an environment more in line with my values.

We don't have enough houses for ourselves, unless you want to send a load of tradespeople over here to build some?