Which country will you move to if Reform win next election?

[Krenonges]

Faced with the prospect of NHS being sold off, ICE-style immigration raids and deportations, emboldened bigots, changes to the school curriculum, public services dessimated, leaving EHCR, I honestly think I'll have no choice but to leave. I don't want to but I couldn't bring DC up in fascist state.

Luckily my DH, DC and I are all dual nationals of an EU country so we have an escape route if needed and this country goes to the dogs.

Where would you go?

@kinkytoes strange that the vitriol about this wasn’t as obvious under the Tory’s - it was Johnson and Sunak who post Brexit allowed record numbers of 3rd world immigrants- the government have reduced it considerably and have been taking action - but hey let’s not report that because it doesn’t suit the Nigel is king agenda. it certainly didn’t help making it far harder to return back to France post Brexit. I don’t know why people with right wing views seem to think everyone in the centre/centre left thinks anyone and his mother should be allowed in - I certainly don’t and nor do many Labour/lib Dem voters- however we have created a rhetoric no doubt pushed by Dominic Cummings that it’s a ‘them and us ’ situation - in fact some of the worst xenophobia and anti anyone who isn’t an out and out flag waver I’ve experienced have been in places with a mainly white British population. Issues with housing and healthcare and a whole raft of other things aren’t in these places down to immigrants, it’s down to other things too, lack of well paying jobs, people expecting to work 16 hours and get top ups, lack of decent rental housing ( thanks Thatcher) and a lack of giving a shit by the Tory’s - now the issue is a lack of cash in many cases, councils being forced to pay vast amounts for care of the elderly etc, etc . We have people going on about taxes, unless you are an employer then taxes have changed very little if anything - they have made changes on stamp duty ( and I think will change to be paid on sale - so more like capital gains tax) - I agree with this - how is any of this affecting most ‘struggling working class people’? It isn’t . Inheritance tax stuff - I agree with all that too , how is this affecting people who haven’t got much - it isn’t ! As I’ve said before we have a ton of people expecting Scandinavian services in Dubai levels of tax - people can’t have it all ways. If they want low tax and pay through the nose for everything ( like the US) then expect shitty public services and pay in for health care - if they want Swedish roads and health and pensions etc , then expect much higher tax, but more covered off ( they don’t pay council tax or NI etc and cheap childcare) - Reform haven’t actually accounted for the fact they would have to deliver some completely unaffordable stuff they are bandying around , without much higher tax - and delivered by the very same people in many cases that put us in the mess we have now.

Where is the very lovely place, please? I’m looking for exactly that!

"people expecting Scandinavian services and Dubai levels of tax".
You're right, @Crikeyalmighty . I remember a time in this country with high levels of taxation. There was a good NHS with little waiting, and big industries and services were nationalised.
You can't return to all that. People wouldn't want to pay for that now.

My biggest concern as a dualie is that Reform would strip dual citizens of their British nationality unless they gave up their other nationality. It's not official policy but it has been voiced by some in the party. Hopefully the fact that Farage's children are dual nationals would prevent it from happening.

@Alondra which is why we are giving Germany a miss and yet would be the easiest for us to move to - for anyone interested they do have a ‘kind of’ nomad visa too - it’s not that hard to get in if you can work remotely and have income at a certain level - I like Germany but like here they have similar issues - and some people in the east who actively don’t like the fact that everything is no longer handed to them on a plate -however basic it was -

What a bunch of melts. 😆

Or New Zealand or anywhere really. Housing cost of living and employment seem to be issues everywhere atm

Excellent post @Crikeyalmighty . I really don’t understand the mass ‘the country has gone to the dogs under Labour’ hysteria. Nothing has changed, unless you’re one of the few wealthy people affected by IHT tax etc. How have things got worse in the last year?

People have no clue what’s happening in other countries. They’re all facing the same problems as we are. And on the topic of immigration, I can’t understand where all these flag-wavers get the idea that every man and his dog want to come to the UK when immigration is actually far higher in other European countries. In the last year, France has had double the number of asylum applications and issued 2.5million working/student visas.

These idiots truly believe that other countries have very low rates of immigration, and ALL immigrants want to come here for our benefits (which are broadly similar or actually lower than many EU countries). It’s utter bollocks.

I'll be staying right where I am enjoying thr country again 😊 can't wait!!

What do you think you will enjoy?

I honestly couldn’t stay here as a nurse and watch the NHS get dismantled. It was heart wrenching enough watching Brexit. Turkeys voting for Xmas.

DH and I are planning to go to south east Asia.

Im tired of uneducated people in this country being able to destroy so many people’s lives. It’s happened here with Brexit, it’s happening in US and it’s arrived here now.

Whereabouts in SE Asia?

@Everythingwillbeokeventually44you do realise the only winners will be millionaires and billionaires right? Are you one? Because if not then you are just a f idiot!

@RhododendronFlowerswe can get retirement visas for a few countries, not sure yet.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/10/violent-attacks-ireland-indian-immigrants
Not great in Dublin for some.

Oh but the rain! It really doesn't stop!

Many western governments originally supported Putin and considered him a great ally to the west in the fight against terrorism. They’ve all done exactly the same thing in the past and praised him publicly. Yet now all of a sudden..,

I don't know @Krenonges . Living back I. Ireland since the 90s but I was quite political when I lived in the UK. Looking back I can recall many huge demos. Some way bigger than the Tommy protest . A couple of them might have moved the dial a bit . Eg Gay Rights and Rock Against Racism both 1978 iirc? Then the big Poll Tax march 1990. But those huge demonstrations made no difference to subsequent general elections.

Jobs ,housing , prices .There is usually a sort of inertia and the electorate tends towards the moderate middle, however that is perceived. If Labour improves things in those areas they will win , simple as that. If not there might be a hung parliament or coalition again. Nigel Farage has nailed himself to the mast of the good ship Donald Trump. That might have looked like a great idea last year. But I'm not convinced the great British public is onboard with him.

I am not a billionaire no but I am also not a fucking idiot either thank you!!

Well it does stop. Occasionally. There is a word in Irish for an interval between showers of rain. So there. Galway is fantastic. But ...it has been discovered and is crazy expensive.

How do your teens plan to emigrate to Canada and Germany?
Canada has strict migration policies - they take people they need with enough money to support themselves and Germany are tightening up too.

Farage and his kind despise the hotel protesters/Saturday marchers for the simple reason they're not their kind of people IE multi millionaires they're merely the cannon fodder to do the dirty work.

It was Canada which rejected little Alan Kurdi's family, wasn't it? Mr Kurdi had a sister in Canada, they were living in Turkey and couldn't get visas. The tragedy wasn't the fault of Canada, of course, but it did indicate that migrating there wasn't easy.

You make good points but people won’t pay much attention because it doesn’t suit their narrative. I come from India and even in my country, nationalism is on rise. There is not one country where locals don’t feel their rights should be prioritised over foreigners. I wish we lived in a border free world and we treated each other as equals but that’s not the reality.

No, indeed. See the Guardian article about Dublin upthread.