Which country will you move to if Reform win next election?

[Krenonges]

Faced with the prospect of NHS being sold off, ICE-style immigration raids and deportations, emboldened bigots, changes to the school curriculum, public services dessimated, leaving EHCR, I honestly think I'll have no choice but to leave. I don't want to but I couldn't bring DC up in fascist state.

Luckily my DH, DC and I are all dual nationals of an EU country so we have an escape route if needed and this country goes to the dogs.

Where would you go?

@Alondra oh thts a shame. I will remember that when my children turn 18. We are British citizens but predominantly use out Spanish passports for travel. We found it relatively simple to apply and received our citizenship in less than a year.

If your children have a Spanish passport, make sure they get a new adult one when they turn 18. The expiry date doesn't matter, even if their passport is still valid for 4 years.

Laws are changing so much that my advice to you is to regularly check your Spanish Consulate website.

It’s fairly easy to research why the NHS is broken: NHS performance deteriorated against headline measures since 2010 (hello Cameron and Osborne) - public satisfaction fell from 70% in 2010 to an all time low of 24% in 2023. Health spending grew by just 2% under the Tories, well below the long-term 3.8% average since the 1980s. There have also been huge issues with understaffing and a huge number of vacancies caused by poor long-term planning failures, inadequate investment in funding and retention, chronic work overload/stress, etc. The NHS is broken because the Tories broke it - it was failing under them long before Covid and this is their legacy.

I'm not English 😘
And Spaniards hating English is really exaggerated - a stereotype, same as a stereotype of all Brits being drunk hooligans that don't bother learning the language

They know where their breads buttered ,even the pip claiming republicans 😆

So basically, when the going gets tough, you've used the uk for whatever else, you bugger off to whomever will have you or you're entitled to be. You'd be shite if war broke out you lot.

You just need to talk politics more to know you are surrounded by closet bigots.

What factors would make the combination with NI expensive? (genuine neutral question)

Yep

The real rot started under Labour in the 90's with tax credits. Allowing couples to work 16 hours a week and be topped up by other taxpayers was never going to be a good idea.
I'm sure Labour thought people would use the system as intended - a stop gap whilst for looking more or better paid work but they didn't. They happily worked the minimum and took the government money.
Socialist public services rely on those who can pay in doing so and we have to many not doing so.
It's embarrassing that our work ethic is so bad we have to be told by the DWP how many hours we should work and how much we should aim to he earning.

Coming back to this, I don't notice many brown, black or Muslim people commenting. What are you all thinking?

As I said, I am staying, but unlikely to move out of London ( DC had contemplated it on the past but now likely won't either.) That will make all our lives more expensive.

SouthernNights59 · Today 03:54

pollyglot · Today 02:21
Why won't someone come over here to NZ and buy my lovely beach house with spectacular sea views, sun and privacy? You can have it for 300k (pounds, that is)

Where on earth can you buy a lovely beach house like that in NZ for such a low price??

Far North, SN59. One of the last pieces of unspoiled paradise left in the entire world. Long may it escape the notice of the international investor. Clean, clear blue water, white sand, put a stick in the ground and find it has turned into a fruit tree virtually overnight. My citrus trees this year have produced literally hundreds of kilos from a single acre. let alone figs, bananas, tamarillos, guavas, pears, passionfruit...the stars in the unpolluted night sky are awe-inspiring, fish leap from the water being pursued by stingrays, orcas play in the waves near the rocky headlands...paradise found.

It sounds lovely @pollyglot but I would be bored. I need crowds and grime and buzz!

New Zealand was the most boring and expensive place I’ve ever been! Except wellington where there were so many homeless with drug problems, fighting and such on the streets. And the poverty and living conditions the Māori seemed to be living in were so different from the rich white immigrants. Didn’t seem like paradise to me !

Are you insane!!
Ex football thug
Ex BNP member
Conspiracy to supply cocaine.
Stalking a woman
Mortgage fraud
Oh and an out and out racist..
Have I missed anything?

Thanks this is true.

What I'd really like is for the current lot to start actually listening to valid concerns of those they don't agree with and act on it. They've started to recently I think, but many on here are still of the opinion that anyone concerned about immigration must be far right and racist.

The fact is, we do currently enjoy a privileged life here, compared ro much of the world. But if the population increases by too much then quality of life will substantially reduce for everyone.

I don't think it's a race thing, it's a numbers thing.

Well we don’t know what backgrounds most posters are from, but I’ll put my hand up to say POC here and I’m on my way out for multiple reasons - Reform would just be the final nail in the coffin for me and would probably ensure I wouldn’t return.

They won’t move they’re all just noise .

Where are you thinking of going?

And btw it is a race thing for many people.

I’ve met and heard of (via social media) so many people Canadian, American, Spanish etc who say they get racist white English people complaining about immigration to them and when they point out they’re immigrants too the racists then say things like “but you’re white like us”.

I have saw people online talk about how they get better treated as a white immigrant than their Black British or Asian partners. So let’s stop being naive here.

I'll stay in Britain.

This is interesting. British people wanting another passport, somewhere else to live.
Meanwhile, every day thousands of people risk their lives to come to the UK, and the British passport is highly prized for them.

I am thinking of Spain as I love the weather and food there and I’ve had good experiences there! I also want to take the opportunity to learn a second language and have already started learning Spanish.

I’m able to work remotely doing my freelance work and will also do some English teaching to top up my income.

But of course no place is perfect and before anyone rushes in and tells me - yeah I’m sure they have their political /racial issues there too. But the UK is feeling very cold in more ways than one atm and I feel it’s a good time for me to leave. I can always return if I want to.

I wonder if even the op will. Not sure many on the thread will.

Sometimes it is. There was a pp upthread who said not wanting to live next to cultures who treated their women badly is perfectly reasonable. Which are these cultures? Anyone non-white? Anyone who dresses differently? The same pp said children deserve to go to a school to learn and work hard. I might point out that it's white working class boys who perform the worst in school, not PoC.

Makes me wonder what my neighbours think of me, a highly educated PoC woman from a family of highly educated PoC women. Perhaps they think I am being treated badly and feel the need to save me from my culture. Not needed.