Which country will you move to if Reform win next election?

[Krenonges]

Faced with the prospect of NHS being sold off, ICE-style immigration raids and deportations, emboldened bigots, changes to the school curriculum, public services dessimated, leaving EHCR, I honestly think I'll have no choice but to leave. I don't want to but I couldn't bring DC up in fascist state.

Luckily my DH, DC and I are all dual nationals of an EU country so we have an escape route if needed and this country goes to the dogs.

Where would you go?

They may seem ineffectual right now but that's better than private health care, decimated food standards, removal of workers rights, slashing of maternity/paternity leave etc.

Reform are Tories on acid.

The only people who would benefit are the mega rich.

I already left, directly because of Brexit. Went to Ireland.

I agree. The headlines for weeks have been the same ongoing message of hate.
I really have no issue having sensible conversations about immigration and funding for it. But not this hate
And the environment! Jesus the irony of them dismissing the credibility of climate change, which in the end will make the current level of immigration seem minute.
And brexit, and anti vax rhetoric at a party conference ffs

If immigration is such a key issue that is going to win the election for Reform, the only thing they have, why don't Labour change tack?

I’ll be moving back to Australia if I start to feel really uncomfortable or super lonely as my entire family live there and I have dual citizen ship.

There's only one reason to vote Reform. It's called "being a fascist."

Labour are a lot more than a disappointment. They have been catastrophic for the UK , in only a little over a year. They are in no small part to blame for the rise of Reform because they continue to ignore what actually matters to voters. I’m in Korea at the moment, and even here when chatting to locals Starmer is recognised as useless 😂

I predicted that this Labour government did not understand the issues or what it was doing, so despite not having another passport decided to move shortly after they were elected. There’s a lot of scaremongering about moving elsewhere in the EU being difficult post brexit, but as long as you have money you are welcome in many places, unlike in the UK now.

Every time Labour pander to the anti immigration rhetoric it bolsters Reforms position. Anyone who's main voting concern is immigrants is never going to vote Labour over Reform on the issue so if Labour have any chance of gaining back ground they need to change the bloody conversation and stop legitimising the hate as they are losing the left and not winning the right.

Labour should concentrate on issues that people voted them in for, decent well funded public services, being able to live comfortably on a full time wage and stop with the failed austerity shite!

Thanks for your help in creating this problem. You did a great job.

I doubt the support is actually in ROI for this despite the 'polls' saying otherwise as the polls are based on ideology primarily. People will vote with their pockets and NI would cost ROI too much financially. It won't happen in our or our children's lifetime.

There is not one single country where minorities were treated well throughout the history. So rather than saying UK was bad in every way possible in the past, start looking at some of its positive achievements to have a balanced perspective. Nobody can build or improve their country without feeling a bit of love and pride, and a true sense of community. A little bit of collective high esteem is needed.

If you think it’s a country of unethical people, then what do you suggest? To call people from other countries to run the government and make its policies? Unfortunately in other countries, you will never be considered same as a native person. Some people would be nice and friendly but doesn’t mean every stranger will open their arms to welcome you. You know a lot of people don’t like British and even if you feel there is a reason behind it and you are different from an average British, it will require a lot of efforts on your part to get accepted and for them to see you without those stereotypical lenses.

Hopefully you and your like will move to Afghanistan or Iran or maybe Syria. They'd love to have you and your views. Maybe ask yourself why the NHS is broken, but you probably won't want to admit why.
Be honest, you'll never leave the UK.

Portugal

My point isn't that the UK was bad. It's that the things people like about British values - democratic institutions, liberal values etc all evolved during very stressful times. It's not like things were less tumultuous then. And to a large extent they were influenced by riots, and the pushback against them. And by heavy suppression of dissent and the push back against that. And out of that you get people like Mills trying to figure out the arguments for individual liberty and the boundaries of free speech. And things like Catholic emancipation which had a big impact on wider politics and how we think about freedom belief. And the dissenters influence on radical politics and the riots against them.

But I think people imagine a time when people were terribly sensible and had very dry discussions about politics in dusty rooms. There probably was a lot of that. But also a lot of stress and unpleasantness, and tumult. And dickheads like George Gordon getting way too much influence and causing trouble.

I don’t disagree but this time we have the time and hopefully the chance to make things different.

Not to pick on you, but I do not really understand answers like this.

And I love Bermuda, I have Bermudian family and have spent a lot of time there and would live there in a heartbeat.

But if you object to stuff like restrictions on immigration, and more conservative worldviews, why Bermuda? They are incredibly strict about immigration, the only way to naturalise is to marry a Bermudian. You can be born there but if your parents are not citizens, neither are you.

They are a pretty conservative society, and there is political corruption there just like other places. The don't have anything like the NHS, you pay for health care, and everyone who can sends their kids to private schools because the public ones are not very good.

Similarly some are mentioning moving to countries in Europe which are also having similar issues with immigration, and which already have health care systems similar to what Farage seems to be proposing.

It just seems like people are saying their leaving for these other places which they are not holding to anything like the same standard.

Why won't someone come over here to NZ and buy my lovely beach house with spectacular sea views, sun and privacy? You can have it for 300k (pounds, that is)

We would go to Singapore where DH is a citizen

Where on earth can you buy a lovely beach house like that in NZ for such a low price??

You'll find the Irish government tightening citizenship laws sooner than you think. It's happening all over Europe. Italy passed new laws this year restricting eligibility of citizenship by descent.

I'm a Spaniard with a permanent residency in Australia, and Spain is another country that keeps tightening citizenship laws. I have 2 Spanish friends that years ago became Australian citizens. They never had a problem renewing their Spanish passport until 10 years ago. The Consulate told them they lost their citizenship (Spain doesn't allow dual passports except with very few countries). They had no problem getting their citizenship back (Spain's allows it). Lots of paperwork and a headache but not much of a problem. The problem was for their adult children. One friend adult child lost the Spanish passport because she was born in Australia at a time her parents became Australians, meaning they automatically lost Spanish citizenship and couldn't pass it. Their adult daughter had no recourse.

For those of you who have the possibility of getting an EU passport, get it. You never know what the future is going to look like, and if you have children, you want to give them as many opportunities as you can.

@Alondra surely they could apply for citizenship through the ley de memoria they would have to be quick as it shuts in October. My mum and I received citizenship through my grandmother (who married an Englishman so my mum wasn't eligible for Spanish citizenship at the time of birth)

Haha exactly

Well it seems that if Reform win they’ll solve the housing crisis easily because you’ll all move and free up some much needed housing.

No. The ley of memoria is very specific and applies mostly to Latinamerican countries and since 2022 Portugal, France and Andorra. It also depends on timing year brackets. It's complicated.

Generally, for most people today it doesn't apply to the majority of adult migrant children if their parents automatically lost their citizenship by becoming citizens of another country. Children from Spanish parents with a Spanish passport NEED to contact the Consulate or get a new passport (it's very cheap) when they become adults at 18. They only have 3 years to do it, after the 3 pass, they lose Spanish citizenship forever.

To which some home reno TV show enthusiast responds; "But does it have Carrara marble countertops and a steam shower in the master bath?"