Which country will you move to if Reform win next election?

[Krenonges]

Faced with the prospect of NHS being sold off, ICE-style immigration raids and deportations, emboldened bigots, changes to the school curriculum, public services dessimated, leaving EHCR, I honestly think I'll have no choice but to leave. I don't want to but I couldn't bring DC up in fascist state.

Luckily my DH, DC and I are all dual nationals of an EU country so we have an escape route if needed and this country goes to the dogs.

Where would you go?

The way the two mainstream parties are going atm, there’s no chance either Tory or Labour will get in at the next election, unless something dramatic happens in the next 3 years. Starmer is losing the confidence of his own party, with no real alternative waiting in the wings to take over. When people are shouting for Andy Burnham to be a replacement for Starmer, you know things must be bad. Kami won’t last to the next GE. I think there is a very real chance that Reform will get in. Let’s face it, they can’t do much worse than what we’re currently getting. Whatever the results of the GE, I won’t be stamping my feet and leave the country. I love the UK.

Well, you dig your own hole then...

I'm digging.

Spain or Singapore for us as that is where we can work.

I'm sure it's going to be way much worse than anyone can imagine at present.
Reform in power, sponsored by the likes of Musk and with Yarvin's ideology... God help those who can get refuge elsewhere

Why would you vote for a limited company run by a tax avoiding liar who wants to decimate the NHS and sell it off to US private equity, remove human rights and control education and remove the social safety net as well as destroy the fabric of this country. Are you racist by any chance?

There have been loads of anti-immigrant protests in Ireland

I’m in the US and can’t go anywhere else. 😭

It's much more than failure of Labour and Tory.

Just look at viral threads here on MN - CK, abortions, immigration, openly far right... do you think it was possible two years ago? this all started in the last twelve months and it's sponsored by those who want to bring Reform in. The first step was to normalise Reform - it used to be a social suicide even in the last GE to say you support Farage. It's not anymore, Reform's been normalised. We're moving to the next stage.

Remember Cummings? he was ultra successful in Brexit campaign (honestly, who cared about Brexit before he started?), he's now masterminding Reform and I have little doubt he'll get them in.

it's beyond terrifying.

Where in Switzerland? French, German or Italian side?

Oh no, I'll be staying. Politicians are all greedy corrupt self serving liars wherever you go.

Watching Stamer try and get out of coming up with a really good reason why he employed the Prince of darkness mandelson was just shocking. And his own party turning on him.

We must band together to keep the nhs, to.improve it, to lessen the power from Westminster into councils re business rates, all things like that.

We aren't at the mercy of these media hounds. We have a collective voice. It doesn't have to get behind a party. It needs to tell whoever is in power they represent the majority so stop fucking about and get on with the major issues.

It's not hard and doesn't need hours of chat and wondering how you'll look on the telly, social media etc.

I think Reform are a better choice than, for example, Corbyn. I honestly don’t think Corbyn would ever get in, because he had his arse handed to him last time he tried, but if Starmer continues to screw up, there’s a chance he might. If people vote for him, will you ask if they’re anti semitic?

I know the feeling. Political disagreements are one thing but it's hard when it's something very fundamental. But I dont think losing friendships if it can be helped is the way. I know that clashes with the "if you sit down for dinner with a racist theres two racists" line of thinking. But I think often people are more complicated than that in real life. Also, if you look at Musk's speech (and others rhetoric) he isn't just pushing the line that Muslims/brown people are the problem. He also reckons the "left" are.some malevolent unreasonable force that actively wishes people harm. In the face of that sort of rhetoric I think that nice, normal friendships with people who think differently are counterarguments to the most divisive rhetoric in themselves.

(but obviously if it's harming you or she's behaving differently to you that's different)

If you read my post I did say there have been anti immigration riots but I was primarily discussing why a party like Reform have not become so popular in Ireland (yet!!)

I don’t think it will be terrifying. Currently it’s the unknown. We know what we get with the Tories and Labour as they’ve been our main go to parties for decades, so it’s difficult for people to imagine what a new party is going to do. You’ve got to remember that both Labour and the Tories don’t carry through with a lot of stuff on their manifestos. They over promise and under deliver. Reform may put forward lots of policies in their manifesto but might not be able deliver on some of them. We’re stuck in a rut atm, just toing and froing between two hopeless parties that aren’t giving us anything. Must admit I didn’t know Dominic Cummings was helping Reform. He could be a big help to them.

Thinking of it - wouldn't it be great if Labour "encouraged" all ultra left to defect to Corbyn's new party and Kemi kicked out far right Tories to Reform, both parties becoming centrists and forming coalition...
one can dream...

Us corporations are not always a bad thing. They have lager scale operations, provide employments and drive innovation.
My country of origin has become 4th largest economy with the highest growth rate thanks to opening of country to foreign investments and corporations, majority of which were American. These companies were paying better salaries and younger people wanted to work for them and worked hard. Within 2 decades it has become a self sufficient economy with emphasis on education, skill building and innovation. I am not a big fan of Jeremy Hunt, but he said, in one of his interviews on CNN recently, that in history all the great civilisations started to decline when they lost their confidence and that’s what is happening in the UK. All the problems posters are complaining about exist in other countries too but many here are blissful in their ignorance and think this gold paved problem free foreign land will give them a perfect home.

To answer your question though OP, I won't move. I can't afford too, our careers are established (although not mumsnet level salaries 😬) and UK based, we have elderly parents and young children settled at school. But mostly I do actually love my country and would want to stay and make it better, fight inequality not pack up and give up. I think anyone who is genuinely worried to the point of considering emigrating needs to get politically active and proactively fight Reform. And I don't think the grass is greener, the right are rising across the globe as the super rich get richer and need footmen and scapegoats to keep it that way.

I do believe Reform are a credible threat, Farage is incredibly well funded and his message is amplified by the BBC and obviously GBN where he has his own constant media presence to deliver an unchallenged message. He's clever enough to distance himself from Tommy Robinson so that he has plausible denibility that he's not the Neo National Front (but Robinson et al will spread the word regardless as Farage is the most mainstream anti immigration party and a good starting point)

The news of the Sikh girl being raped and told to go back to where she came from in broad daylight and Elon Musk talking at far right rallies asking for action has really made me realise that things in this country have now tipped over into the sinister. I am so worried, but I need to stay and fight for what's right. I also worry that the environment has just been completely knocked off the agenda too, as a human race we need to come together but we're really been torn apart and everyone is so angry and suspicious of each other. I want to be optimistic again.

Really? you don't see any similarities between Reform and what's going on in US? or are you happy for this to be the same here?

The entire mood / polls/ Reform profile has changed since Cummings took the job, google it.

I still can't believe that Britain, mother of modern democracy and liberalism, is falling for far right shit

Our democracy and liberalism were born out of some really tortuous wranglings over free speech, religious minority rights, voting rights. All the while wars were happening and riots were popping up, dissenters were dissenting and the economy hit various road blocks. I don't like how things are right now but there was never a halcyon age when we were sensible.

So you will be happy having no nhs? hope you have enough cash!

In 2024, the average cost for individual health insurance in the US was approximately $8,951 per year, while the average for a family plan was around $25,572 annually. These costs vary significantly based on factors like your age, location, employer contributions, and the specific plan's metal tier (Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum).

When the average Reform voter can actually explain why they think Farage is
the steady, sensible pair of hands to guide the whole country through volatile times at home and on the international stage, what Reform policies are on the various arenas of education, the environment, social care, hospitals etc., maybe then the sweeping statements and stereotypes will cease. But that doesn't happen. It's mudslinging and immigration only.

Voting for Reform on one issue only is so utterly foolish, it makes Brexit looks like an economic masterstroke.

I don’t understand why anyone thinks Reform are the party to fix the mess their people had a huge part in creating with the referendum?

I’m American and British, my husband and one of my 2 kids are EU nationals. Can’t move to US as I have a degenerative autoimmune disease (nor would I want to) can’t leave because of Brexit. It’s f shit. I’m still so unbelievably angry about 2016 on both sides of the pond I can’t let myself even think about it. Sadly I suspect even the EU will struggle to keep up with the superpowers in future, it’s scary.

“Labour are already proven liars”

What do you think comes out of the mouth of Farage and co regularly? Do you remember the lies that came out of his mouth during his last ‘campaign’ aka Brexit??

If we talking lies I think you need to educate yourself.