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Tandora · 2025-09-13T19:14:27+00:00

So here we are- they have a suspect. The very little we know about his politics suggests he was likely to be right wing, and came from a family/ culture that supported Trump. He also is said to be an introvert, in to video games , and possibly quite mentally unwell. So there we have it- fancy that - when you live in a context where people have access to guns and some minority of people are not well, people get shot. Nothing to do with the evils of the “left”. Nothing to do with trans people or “trans ideology”. Just senseless violence, because people who are not well have access to guns. So what are we going to take/ learn from this? AIBU?

placemats · 14/09/2025 23:09

vegetarianlouise · 14/09/2025 22:53

The shooter was a white 30 year old guy from Utah whose parents (and whole family) were republican voters and farmers, apparently his family is in the farming business and as you guys must have heard farmers are loosing their farms left and right due to tariffs and loss of workers. Interpret all this as you will. I find very suspicious that since the guy got arrested no one (including Cheeto) has pronounced about this kids "extreme leftie ideology" and it's all being kept very hush hush.

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The alleged shooter is 22. He's not been formally charged yet and has invoked the 5th amendment - the right to remain silent.

Teanbiscuits33 · 14/09/2025 23:10

meeleymanatee · 14/09/2025 23:02

By praying it wasn’t one of us he meant a Utahn. He literally stated that very clearly. Please don’t spread disinformation

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Donald Trump was claiming it was the ‘radical left’ from practically the second the bullet hit him -so don’t pretend like it wouldn’t further his agenda to blame the left. Also, considering that Utah is a Republican stronghold, it’s very possible he was hoping it would be a democrat from another state. You’re being disingenuous and you know it.

Whatever the story, there are no facts yet so expecting someone to just lie down and accept something as 100% truth just because it’s what’s in the press is silly.

vegetarianlouise · 14/09/2025 23:13

24karatPalamino · 14/09/2025 22:57

Well that’s pretty much incorrect.

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This is for real. Too many people won't talk about how JD Vance and many others are buying all the farms that are going broke. In any case the shooter was from a hard-core right wing family who raised him shooting guns. I may mention the Minnesota senator, her husband and their dog that also got shot by a rightwing extremist just a few months ago who got almost no attention and not a single beep from Trump.

meeleymanatee · 14/09/2025 23:14

Teanbiscuits33 · 14/09/2025 23:10

Donald Trump was claiming it was the ‘radical left’ from practically the second the bullet hit him -so don’t pretend like it wouldn’t further his agenda to blame the left. Also, considering that Utah is a Republican stronghold, it’s very possible he was hoping it would be a democrat from another state. You’re being disingenuous and you know it.

Whatever the story, there are no facts yet so expecting someone to just lie down and accept something as 100% truth just because it’s what’s in the press is silly.

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I am not being disingenuous - I’m stating fact! The quote from the governor was ‘I’ve been praying that it wasn’t one of us, that someone drove in from another state’ this has nothing to do with trump - this is the previous poster saying the governor said ‘I prayed it wasn’t one of us’ meaning a republican when they were referring to a Utahn. Jeez. Get your facts straight.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 14/09/2025 23:17

Teanbiscuits33 · 14/09/2025 23:10

Donald Trump was claiming it was the ‘radical left’ from practically the second the bullet hit him -so don’t pretend like it wouldn’t further his agenda to blame the left. Also, considering that Utah is a Republican stronghold, it’s very possible he was hoping it would be a democrat from another state. You’re being disingenuous and you know it.

Whatever the story, there are no facts yet so expecting someone to just lie down and accept something as 100% truth just because it’s what’s in the press is silly.

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Are you seriously still clinging to the idea Robinson wasn’t a left wing
extremist? At what point are you going to accept this?

meeleymanatee · 14/09/2025 23:18

vegetarianlouise · 14/09/2025 23:13

This is for real. Too many people won't talk about how JD Vance and many others are buying all the farms that are going broke. In any case the shooter was from a hard-core right wing family who raised him shooting guns. I may mention the Minnesota senator, her husband and their dog that also got shot by a rightwing extremist just a few months ago who got almost no attention and not a single beep from Trump.

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https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/08/honoring-the-victims-of-the-tragedy-in-minneapolis-minnesota/I’m

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/09/2025 23:18

vegetarianlouise · 14/09/2025 22:53

The shooter was a white 30 year old guy from Utah whose parents (and whole family) were republican voters and farmers, apparently his family is in the farming business and as you guys must have heard farmers are loosing their farms left and right due to tariffs and loss of workers. Interpret all this as you will. I find very suspicious that since the guy got arrested no one (including Cheeto) has pronounced about this kids "extreme leftie ideology" and it's all being kept very hush hush.

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He’s 22, not 30. Is it “make up your own facts day” again?

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 14/09/2025 23:19

Teanbiscuits33 · 14/09/2025 23:10

Donald Trump was claiming it was the ‘radical left’ from practically the second the bullet hit him -so don’t pretend like it wouldn’t further his agenda to blame the left. Also, considering that Utah is a Republican stronghold, it’s very possible he was hoping it would be a democrat from another state. You’re being disingenuous and you know it.

Whatever the story, there are no facts yet so expecting someone to just lie down and accept something as 100% truth just because it’s what’s in the press is silly.

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Have you heard what the Utah governor has said? Or is he part of your conspiracy theory too?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/09/2025 23:19

Deep desperation.

meeleymanatee · 14/09/2025 23:19

Teanbiscuits33 · 14/09/2025 23:10

Donald Trump was claiming it was the ‘radical left’ from practically the second the bullet hit him -so don’t pretend like it wouldn’t further his agenda to blame the left. Also, considering that Utah is a Republican stronghold, it’s very possible he was hoping it would be a democrat from another state. You’re being disingenuous and you know it.

Whatever the story, there are no facts yet so expecting someone to just lie down and accept something as 100% truth just because it’s what’s in the press is silly.

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www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/08/honoring-the-victims-of-the-tragedy-in-minneapolis-minnesota/

vegetarianlouise · 14/09/2025 23:21

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 14/09/2025 23:17

Are you seriously still clinging to the idea Robinson wasn’t a left wing
extremist? At what point are you going to accept this?

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Maybe you should contact the Utah police as you seem to know more than they do?

GarlicPint · 14/09/2025 23:22

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 14/09/2025 23:17

Are you seriously still clinging to the idea Robinson wasn’t a left wing
extremist? At what point are you going to accept this?

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We don't know.

Did you also believe Thomas Crooks was a Democrat plant, an 'Antifa extremist' or a puppet for Secret Service rebels? I mean, we know now that he was just a fucked-up kid who'd researched both Republican and Democrat rallies for targets, but there was very similar noise around him..

Not everything is about left or right allegiance.

Teanbiscuits33 · 14/09/2025 23:22

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 14/09/2025 23:17

Are you seriously still clinging to the idea Robinson wasn’t a left wing
extremist? At what point are you going to accept this?

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When there’s actual credible evidence not just hear-say from a republican FBI agent who has an interest in spinning that particular story. That’s when. Can you think of any reason they might be wanting you to believe he was a left wing extremist? Any reason whatsoever they might be telling you that? Could be true, but…WE. DON’T. KNOW. EITHER. WAY.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/09/2025 23:23

Teanbiscuits33 · 14/09/2025 02:26

The idea that he was left wing has been retracted. His ‘’friend’’ from college in 2018 said he has left wing ideas but then later conveniently changed his story to say he didn’t actually know him that well and can’t remember. People are desperate to blame 😂😂😂😂. It got retracted hours and hours ago from the guardian. There is no evidence he was left wing at all. It’s looking more likely he was goyper if you ask me.

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This you, @Teanbiscuits33?

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 14/09/2025 23:24

vegetarianlouise · 14/09/2025 23:21

Maybe you should contact the Utah police as you seem to know more than they do?

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No need to. The Utah Governor has pretty much confirmed that the police are working on the basis this is a likely motive.

How many people on the far right do you know in a relationship with a trans furry?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/09/2025 23:24

You seemed awfully sure of yourself at 3am this morning, not so much now?

Teanbiscuits33 · 14/09/2025 23:25

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/09/2025 23:23

This you, @Teanbiscuits33?

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Yes, that is me, and in a further comment I did state there was another story about the trans partner in the press and I wanted to wait and see what came out before forming an actual opinion on it. Did I not?

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 14/09/2025 23:26

Teanbiscuits33 · 14/09/2025 23:22

When there’s actual credible evidence not just hear-say from a republican FBI agent who has an interest in spinning that particular story. That’s when. Can you think of any reason they might be wanting you to believe he was a left wing extremist? Any reason whatsoever they might be telling you that? Could be true, but…WE. DON’T. KNOW. EITHER. WAY.

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The Utah Governor has gone on record saying that Robinson was in a relationship with a mtf transitioner - not exactly classic far right profile

meeleymanatee · 14/09/2025 23:28

You say you are waiting for facts whilst in the same breath speculating that his family could be farmers and jd Vance wants to take their farm! When his parents aren’t even farmers!

vegetarianlouise · 14/09/2025 23:29

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 14/09/2025 23:24

No need to. The Utah Governor has pretty much confirmed that the police are working on the basis this is a likely motive.

How many people on the far right do you know in a relationship with a trans furry?

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What on earth is a trans furry? Is that some sort of made up word to belittle trans people? And how do you know he was involved with said trans? Were you there? Just saying because I've lived with plenty plenty of flat mates on my younger years and was never in a relationship with any of them (ok I might have had a drunken shag once or twice against my better judgement 🤣

EdithBond · 14/09/2025 23:30

cosimarama · 14/09/2025 22:40

Selfish arrogant men with access to guns will always kill in this way for their own Very Good Reasons. Personal grievances, entitlement, personality disorders, failed masculinity, obsession etc. Strange when there’s a murder like this and people do a serious pick a left or right side thing. A young man fires a gun in a place crowded with people to kill someone for his own disturbed reasons likely listed above and it gets twisted into murder being an almost rational and inevitable response to political allegiances.

What’s more shocking to me is the people trying to claim it as a victory for their own agenda. Like the man putting on make up saying “well did they think it would be a bloodless revolution” over trans issues. Or the uni professors who have been celebrating online. Basically openly saying they support and encourage murder of people who they disagree with. Yippee that a fucked up young man has given up
his own life to execute someone, because that outcome is convenient for my opposing opinions. Grotesque.

100%. It’s surely irrelevant what his political views are.

If he pleads guilty to murder (not yet clear: there may be a trial) then he’s murdered someone. And that must be utterly condemned, whatever anyone’s views.

It doesn’t mean that people with certain political allegiances are more likely to be murderers. Most people aren’t murderers, whatever their views.

The issue is what led him to obtain a weapon, be able to use it so accurately at such a distance and (most importantly) think it was OK to shoot someone.

mandes1 · 14/09/2025 23:30

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 14/09/2025 21:54

Well despite people tying themselves in minors it has been officially confirmed that Kirk’s assassin was in a relationship with a Moro F transitioning trans person and that this is being investigated as a motive. The left are so desperate for this to be anything but. But the left has truly shown their colours these last few days.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15097383/charlie-kirk-assassin-transgender-lover-tyler-robinson.html?ito=social-facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR42q9jkt7R7qAgcc6cNtkBf7vWnh1a4ZREbgRHeplkdMpqu9QZeeD9LPyKzdw_aem_Mp1wp35eGBLyytqZWab86Q#

Who's "The Left"? why is everyone so desperate to fit into a box of Left or Right? As if everyone left leaning or right leaning shares exactly the same morals, personality and goals. I can't believe how many grown adults (some are parents, for goodness sake) are defending people on the Internet they haven't met or engaged with. Grown people so desperate for acceptance and to fit into a nice neat box marked L or R then we feel confident to criticise anyone who is from a different box. We don't know anything yet about this man or his motives for murder. Yet, everyone is arguing about whether he's left leaning because he has a trans partner or right because his parents are staunch Trump supporters!

It's not just on MN but everywhere on SM. It's always the Left attacking the Right and vice versa. I don't remember people being so divisive years ago. What is happening with people??

And to answer your question before you ask - No, I don't know why I clicked on this thread xx

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 14/09/2025 23:31

vegetarianlouise · 14/09/2025 23:29

What on earth is a trans furry? Is that some sort of made up word to belittle trans people? And how do you know he was involved with said trans? Were you there? Just saying because I've lived with plenty plenty of flat mates on my younger years and was never in a relationship with any of them (ok I might have had a drunken shag once or twice against my better judgement 🤣

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Because the Governor has confirmed the relationship.

A trans person who also is a furry

InWalksBarberalla · 14/09/2025 23:31

vegetarianlouise · 14/09/2025 23:00

He could perfectly be angry at not being able to inherit his family business because some corporation is going to take it (as it's happening right now in many states?). Just saying.

What family business - his dad is n construction and his mum works for a care agency?

meeleymanatee · 14/09/2025 23:33

InWalksBarberalla · 14/09/2025 23:31

What family business - his dad is n construction and his mum works for a care agency?

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There is none - she has just done some amazing mental gymnastics to come up with an imaginary farm that jd Vance is trying to steal.