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Charlie Kirk- and the reality

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Tandora · 13/09/2025 20:14

So here we are- they have a suspect.
The very little we know about his politics suggests he was likely to be right wing, and came from a family/ culture that supported Trump. He also is said to be an introvert, in to video games , and possibly quite mentally unwell.

So there we have it- fancy that - when you live in a context where people have access to guns and some minority of people are not well, people get shot.

Nothing to do with the evils of the “left”. Nothing to do with trans people or “trans ideology”. Just senseless violence, because people who are not well have access to guns.

So what are we going to take/ learn from this?

AIBU?

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Tandora · 14/09/2025 20:16

Poetnojo · 14/09/2025 20:12

But DEI by very definition is flagrant racism!

No DEI is an attempt to combat some of the significant inequalities that exist as an outcome of entrenched and ongoing structural racism.

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WiddlinDiddlin · 14/09/2025 20:17

Freysimo · 14/09/2025 07:27

OP, are you aware that Tyler Robinson's roommate was transgender, after saying there was no trans connection?

Are you aware that who his room mate was or was not has nothing to do with who he was or was not.

Roommate does not = friend, colleague, partner... literally, someone who shares the property/room and the rent on it.

It is very very common for young people in america to end up with room mates they do not know well, do not like, certainly do not agree with or identify with. Far more common than here in teh UK (a comparable situation might be tenants in teh same HMO.)

Poetnojo · 14/09/2025 20:20

Tandora · 14/09/2025 20:16

No DEI is an attempt to combat some of the significant inequalities that exist as an outcome of entrenched and ongoing structural racism.

By excluding certain people based on their skin colour?! Sorry but that's the very definition of racism

Tandora · 14/09/2025 20:21

Poetnojo · 14/09/2025 20:20

By excluding certain people based on their skin colour?! Sorry but that's the very definition of racism

🙄

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24karatPalamino · 14/09/2025 20:22

Poetnojo · 14/09/2025 20:20

By excluding certain people based on their skin colour?! Sorry but that's the very definition of racism

Completely agree.

Poetnojo · 14/09/2025 20:24

Tandora · 14/09/2025 20:21

🙄

😂

GoldThumb · 14/09/2025 20:28

Here is Amala Ekpunobi and Candace Owens discussing DEI in universities on Dr Phil.

I don’t think CKs views were that out there, black conservatives seem to pretty aligned on this

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Hoardasurass · 14/09/2025 20:28

Tandora · 14/09/2025 08:28

What about all the people who celebrated the death of osama bin laden or Sadam Hussain? In this country people celebrated the death of Margaret thatcher which I found despicable. If you are a divisive , public figure this happens- there’s nothing original or surprising about it at all, nor is it limited to one culture or political group- it’s across the board. (And again really nothing to do with trans people).

Edited

That's a new low even for you @Tandora. You're actually comparing Charlie Kirk with a terrorist and a dictator. Why not go the whole hog and call him Hitler?
Its false comparisons like yours that allows people to justify killing those they disagree with

EviesHat · 14/09/2025 20:33

Tandora · 14/09/2025 16:14

Yes I understand the point he was making (but thank you for mansplaining it to me ).

I disagree with it entirely. I do not think that one single murder of children in schools is “worth it” to protect his right to have a gun- let alone murder on the scale that happens in the USA.

CK did. So according to his own values/ opinion his own death was “worth it” for the second amendment , and we should not be “emotionally hijacked” by narratives about his grieving children. This is not how I see things but we should be very clear it’s how CK himself did.

@Tandora This is refreshing to hear. It is unusual for someone to be so clear and passionate about their position that they are adamant that there is no other interpretation of the focus of their ire.

Every year in the UK we have 1400 needless deaths, some 70 of which are children. We could prevent those deaths easily, but too many people refuse to acknowledge that those people could be alive today - because preventing those deaths would cause them personal inconvenience and they don’t want to suffer a little hardship in order to save the life of a child.

I hope you will be as vocal in your hatred of those who readily accept 1400 needless deaths a year, every year, as you are of Charlie Kirk’s statement that the price of the right to bear arms is that some people may die as a result.

Please say it loud, say it proud WE NEED TO BAN ALL CARS IN THE UK to save 1400 lives a year.

THERE IS NOT ONE DEATH BY MOTOR VEHICLE THAT IS “WORTH IT” TO PROTECT ANYONE’S RIGHT TO OWN A CAR.

To support car ownership in the UK is to support the idea that 1400 people a year must be sacrificed for the convenience of others.

Time to ditch the car and get walking.

Right?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/09/2025 20:33

WiddlinDiddlin · 14/09/2025 20:17

Are you aware that who his room mate was or was not has nothing to do with who he was or was not.

Roommate does not = friend, colleague, partner... literally, someone who shares the property/room and the rent on it.

It is very very common for young people in america to end up with room mates they do not know well, do not like, certainly do not agree with or identify with. Far more common than here in teh UK (a comparable situation might be tenants in teh same HMO.)

Are you aware that the young man was his boyfriend?

GoldThumb · 14/09/2025 20:34

Hoardasurass · 14/09/2025 20:28

That's a new low even for you @Tandora. You're actually comparing Charlie Kirk with a terrorist and a dictator. Why not go the whole hog and call him Hitler?
Its false comparisons like yours that allows people to justify killing those they disagree with

All perspective and rationality has gone with this one.

All arguments are based on pure emotion, only to be spoken about in extremes or broad generalities. Ask to break the arguments down into specifics, and the meaning of these specifics, and it all goes out the window.

Plastictreees · 14/09/2025 20:36

Comparing cars with guns is hilarious, the plot has well and truly been lost 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Plastictreees · 14/09/2025 20:37

GoldThumb · 14/09/2025 20:34

All perspective and rationality has gone with this one.

All arguments are based on pure emotion, only to be spoken about in extremes or broad generalities. Ask to break the arguments down into specifics, and the meaning of these specifics, and it all goes out the window.

You are aware that you are perfectly describing your own posts?! 🤣🤣🤣

Rosscameasdoody · 14/09/2025 20:37

Poetnojo · 14/09/2025 20:12

But DEI by very definition is flagrant racism!

Exactly. And that was what Kirk was calling out, but I’ve given up with the OP now. U can lead a horse to water and all that …………………

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 14/09/2025 20:37

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 14/09/2025 18:25

They don't think they are right. They KNOW they are right and if you don’t acquiesce to that ideology then it’s literal violence and not the ‘hurty word’ kind.

Edited

It’s true.
It is ideology and brainwashing.
And trying to shut others up.

24karatPalamino · 14/09/2025 20:38

Tandora · 13/09/2025 20:14

So here we are- they have a suspect.
The very little we know about his politics suggests he was likely to be right wing, and came from a family/ culture that supported Trump. He also is said to be an introvert, in to video games , and possibly quite mentally unwell.

So there we have it- fancy that - when you live in a context where people have access to guns and some minority of people are not well, people get shot.

Nothing to do with the evils of the “left”. Nothing to do with trans people or “trans ideology”. Just senseless violence, because people who are not well have access to guns.

So what are we going to take/ learn from this?

AIBU?

Well, this is embarrassing now isn’t it.

Rosscameasdoody · 14/09/2025 20:38

GoldThumb · 14/09/2025 20:34

All perspective and rationality has gone with this one.

All arguments are based on pure emotion, only to be spoken about in extremes or broad generalities. Ask to break the arguments down into specifics, and the meaning of these specifics, and it all goes out the window.

You’re describing your own posts.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/09/2025 20:39

GailBlancheViola · 14/09/2025 19:45

You have a serious comprehension problem or you are just deliberately trying to smear Eresh with that post. Which is it?

¿Por qué no los dos? as the meme goes.

EasternStandard · 14/09/2025 20:39

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/09/2025 20:33

Are you aware that the young man was his boyfriend?

Well that debunks the first op post then

Tandora · 14/09/2025 20:39

EviesHat · 14/09/2025 20:33

@Tandora This is refreshing to hear. It is unusual for someone to be so clear and passionate about their position that they are adamant that there is no other interpretation of the focus of their ire.

Every year in the UK we have 1400 needless deaths, some 70 of which are children. We could prevent those deaths easily, but too many people refuse to acknowledge that those people could be alive today - because preventing those deaths would cause them personal inconvenience and they don’t want to suffer a little hardship in order to save the life of a child.

I hope you will be as vocal in your hatred of those who readily accept 1400 needless deaths a year, every year, as you are of Charlie Kirk’s statement that the price of the right to bear arms is that some people may die as a result.

Please say it loud, say it proud WE NEED TO BAN ALL CARS IN THE UK to save 1400 lives a year.

THERE IS NOT ONE DEATH BY MOTOR VEHICLE THAT IS “WORTH IT” TO PROTECT ANYONE’S RIGHT TO OWN A CAR.

To support car ownership in the UK is to support the idea that 1400 people a year must be sacrificed for the convenience of others.

Time to ditch the car and get walking.

Right?

I don’t have a car. Never have. Don’t drive. But no I don’t see this as an equivalent comparison at all,

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GoldThumb · 14/09/2025 20:39

Plastictreees · 14/09/2025 20:37

You are aware that you are perfectly describing your own posts?! 🤣🤣🤣

Like?
A specific example please.

Calmomiletea · 14/09/2025 20:39

Tandora · 13/09/2025 20:18

Yes. because the previous were all started from the assumption that this had something to do with left wing political violence and particularly about trans issues. Seems like it’s got nothing to do with that at all.

Seems you were wrong! Do you ever read the news? 🤦🏻‍♀️

Tandora · 14/09/2025 20:40

Hoardasurass · 14/09/2025 20:28

That's a new low even for you @Tandora. You're actually comparing Charlie Kirk with a terrorist and a dictator. Why not go the whole hog and call him Hitler?
Its false comparisons like yours that allows people to justify killing those they disagree with

Nope that’s not what I said at all.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/09/2025 20:40

24karatPalamino · 14/09/2025 20:38

Well, this is embarrassing now isn’t it.

I don’t think op is easily embarrassed. Many of her posts are testament to that.

GoldThumb · 14/09/2025 20:41

Rosscameasdoody · 14/09/2025 20:38

You’re describing your own posts.

Example?

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