My son has gone on the march

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Hi, have been on here years but only lurk, don’t post. But today is the day.
I am in bits. My 22yr old DS is in London on this march. I am shaking and utterly appalled. We differ on politics massively and have done for some time. I work in education, have travelled and am bit of a lefty hippy but to be honest it’s becoming more about values and morals. He is fully immersed in the manosphere algorithm and I’ve always thought he is exploring himself and things and have chats about why he has the opinions he does and try and understand his point of view. I try not to belittle him but try and get him to critically think about things.
But this I can’t deal with. I am so upset that my son has gone to this, and that it is something that is so far away from me and my values, something that I thought I had instilled in him as well.
I am totally aware that it’s triggered embarrassment but that is my issue and I’m not putting that on him. He is still my son and I love him and his passion and interest in the world, just in something I believe is so wrong and makes me sad.
Please talk some sense into me.

OP, you said you’ve been trying to get him to think critically. It sounds as though that’s exactly what he’s doing. I’ve been watching the march on livestream and it seems like a bunch of people marching peacefully - certainly not ‘far right’.

It’s good that your son has rejected Andrew Tate. Sounds to me like a young guy who is learning to think for himself.

The Metropolitan Police estimated that the number of people at the “Unite the Kingdom” rally was around 110,000

More than I thought, but not anywhere near a million.

So do you mean the a/c owner who is lending their ID card out for a fee or the actual company eg "Deliveroo"

I fail to see how they can track either for back-tax?

The same applies to fines - suppose they can't or won't pay the fine?

https://www.qc-immigration.com/blog/illegal-working-civil-penalties-q2-2024

OP, hopefully when your son sees the significant proportion of Neanderthals in the crowd, he might reflect a bit. Of course he is free to decide with whom he wishes to align.

@SweetLathyrus
Thank you for highlighting Bowling Alone , I heard about it ages ago and never go round to reading it. The sense of community that we have lost doesn't help, it divides us. The political polarisation of the last 10 years doesn't help.

Jimmy the Giant on how he moved away from the far-right pipeline

Interview with Jimmy the Giant and Gary Stevenson

Jimmy the Giant - highlights why immigration is used as the blame for everything

Gary Stevenson
https://www.youtube.com/@garyseconomics

Life in the UK is rapidly declining. Serious question , which political party is capable of turning it around? How, factually? Finally, who in the UK will benefit from policies l?

I'm wondering how many will cross the floor to reform when an election draws near. Nadine Dorries is the latest defector to reform. Lloyd George I recall hopped around as did Churchill. Going to be interesting.

Lots of Scots involved in running the British Empire I'm afraid.

But yes, like you, none of us have anything to atone for and yet plenty of people would argue somehow that we do.

The poster didn’t claim that they on,y had policies about immigrati9n. She said they didn’t have any policies that would benefit the ordinary people and that people were voting solely based on immigration.
Their policies aren't costed though, and would leave Truss’s budget looking like a paragon of logical thinking and economic sense.

No it’s not. The work done during the 1800s in no wonder adequately makes up for the devastation of the centuries before nor the fact we still feel the impact of that racialised trade in that the myths created to sustain it still cause issues in the modern era. It also is the opposite of owning up to Britain’s history as what you see is a reimagining of Britain’s involvement with the TAST but by focusing on 90% of discussion on the Royal Navy’s activities post 1807 and the other 10% on Wilberforce.

It also ignores that while the anti slavery activities ramped up post 1833 so did increased colonisation.

And of course it ignores that while slave owners received compensation their victims received nada, zilch, rien, nothing.

But the point is it’s not true to say Germany nevet gets grief for its history. That’s a lie and it does a better job of telling it than Britain.

@BurntBroccoli Why do you think that was written by ChatGPT?

Gosh… what is that phrase again??? Something about ad hominems and the last refuge… I forget…

particularly after events in the USA this week.

Why? Who do you think was responsible for the shooting of Charlie Kirk?

i’m assuming that’s what you’re referring to of course, unless you’re concerned about the school shooting that happened on the same day? If so, who do you think was responsible for that?

I disagree - debate is absolutely about winning an argument. I was at high school in the 60's, we had debating teams, we were assigned a side at random and a topic pulled out of a hat. In today's terms a lefty like me would have to argue in favour of something like "this house believes Donald Trump is the greatest US president to date". It meant we had to fully explore, sympathetically, positions we did not agree with and it was a bloody useful skill for working life i.e. when arguing for one course of action as opposed to another.

Dialogue is different. In dialogue you seek to understand the other, not score points or win. You have to start from a position of trust and assume good faith.

If any of my DC were to show any extreme right wing tendencies I hope I would be able to engage in dialogue with them - really try to understand why they had reached those conclusions when I know they are fundamentally good people...

Dorries hasn't crossed the floor. She isn't an MP.

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If I'd said that Germany never gets grief for it, you might have a point.

Do you honestly believe that is what it means? Given SYL posed with the Unite the Kingdom flag in front of a bus with a coded Heil Hitler on it?
How are Stand Up To Racism aiming to divide the kingdom, exactly?

Nonsense. It's the fault of both. I know, I've done cash in hand work fot a short period of time in the past - I knew it was wrong but did it anyway.

None from my clan 🤣🤣
But I do get what you're saying yes abhorrent things were done but I've no guilt simply because I didn't have a hand in it.

Do you know how “….” these work?

Do you know how to follow quote chains?

I’ve read their manifesto. Its an exercise in telling people what they want to hear without any actual substance behind it and is completely pie in the sky.

Why? Did you not understand what I was saying?

Exactly labelling is what the left do best to anyone who thinks differently from them. 3million people in London today....families all colours all races and churches. The lazy labelling is getting tired look at live things what actual people actually say do make your minds up then just saying