My son has gone on the march

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Hi, have been on here years but only lurk, don’t post. But today is the day.
I am in bits. My 22yr old DS is in London on this march. I am shaking and utterly appalled. We differ on politics massively and have done for some time. I work in education, have travelled and am bit of a lefty hippy but to be honest it’s becoming more about values and morals. He is fully immersed in the manosphere algorithm and I’ve always thought he is exploring himself and things and have chats about why he has the opinions he does and try and understand his point of view. I try not to belittle him but try and get him to critically think about things.
But this I can’t deal with. I am so upset that my son has gone to this, and that it is something that is so far away from me and my values, something that I thought I had instilled in him as well.
I am totally aware that it’s triggered embarrassment but that is my issue and I’m not putting that on him. He is still my son and I love him and his passion and interest in the world, just in something I believe is so wrong and makes me sad.
Please talk some sense into me.

Who has blamed you personally? I am British and have never been blamed personally?

Where are you getting 1-3 million from? It’s nowhere near that

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Which is a failing of Deliveroo et al.
It’s never the fault of the exploited, underpaid worker. It’s always the fault ofnt( exploiter.

I suspect the 2029 Government policies might come as a bit of a surprise to your rural village.

Reform have no policies that will benefit the majority of us. They would finish this country off - Good luck with your neighbours and other people voting for a party based solely on their views on immigration. Absolutely ludicrous.

Who are these "Christian nationalists"you refer to? Do you mean the hyper-Calvanist Westboro Baptist church, for example ?

Nor me.

Nor me I've never had a letter or email saying I'm to blame for anything during our colonial past.
How would that go
Dear Mr/Mrs you are to blame for an incident in 1810.

So the whole stopping the slave trade thing in the 19th century isn't included in 'owning up to' the UK's part in history? Or all of the aid given to these countries since? Or the aims of the Commonwealth?

And when you say 'we' who do you mean? Anyone who had anything to do with it is long dead and chances are that the vast majority of people alive now are descended from people who were also exploited by those running the British Empire.

1-3 million people are marching

One million people marched against the Iraq war. This crowd is nowhere near approaching that size. I reckon isn't even touching the coattails of a hundred thousand.

I think people think any discussion of the dark aspects of their country’s history is a personal attack on them.

I only see it from a few dimwits I happen to be connected with on social media. And they really are dimwits. My family, close friends and work colleagues know it’s all a nonsense.

That is incorrect - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqll1edxgw4o

Very funny. Have you heard of the concept of 'collective guilt' at all?

“No other descendants of empires are expected to apologise for sharing the same ethnicity as historic conquerors and enslavers”

Laughs in Serbian and Russian

Yeah, that’s not true at all. You may not have personal experience of it (and tbh I’m not sure you’ve even attempted to verify), but the idea that Britain is uniquely persecuted is incorrect.

It means exactly what it says: United the Kingdom; open to everyone, whatever their background, who are proud to call the United Kingdom their home.

As opposed to 'Divide the Kingdom', which is what the counter protesters want.

Well, obviously they don't. "Note the actual account owners" I put in there...

Afaik HO is now working with these companies. And they should. Out of 8 deliveries I had in a matter of few weeks when moving, 3 were by different person tha account was for. I do not order deliveroo or uber even with their offers anymore. And I am by far not alone.
No wonder they want to cooperate with HO and HMRC should join the gang propely too. Imagine the taxes on account that runs on 3 people oing 24/7 turnaround.

That's not really a surprise though. Guess what, I live in a multicultural city and nobody I know would vote for a man that brought us Brexit and made us all poorer!

"Whatever their background". Yeah right 😂

Which is why I’m aware it needs an international response. No country can solve this alone, and it’s only going to get worse with increasing instability and global warming. But until we do that, demonising asylum seekers isn’t the way. They aren’t the source of all ills in this country (or any other). Plus there’s way to much conflating of immigration, illegal immigration and asylum seeking. Numbers get mixed up and people end up thinking there are way more asylum seekers than there actually are - as I said earlier on the thread, those 8n hotels currently wouldn’t even half full Wembley Stadium.

Something does need to be done about migration and about people trafficking, but ramping up racism and blaming asylum seekers isn’t it.

Bishop Dewar’s recent post:
(written by ChatGPT I think!)

“A Tribute to Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk1776)

Today, we stand in the sombre shadow of a grievous loss. Charlie Kirk, a husband, a father, a leader, and a voice of conviction, has been taken from us by an act of brutal violence. Our hearts break for his beloved wife Erika, for his children, and for the entire Kirk family. To them, we extend our deepest and most sincere condolences.

But let it be said: Charlie’s life was not lived in vain, nor shall his death be forgotten. He stood fearlessly for faith, for freedom, and for the enduring principles that anchor civilisation against the tides of tyranny. He refused to bow before the clamour of mobs or the threats of darkness. He spoke with courage, when silence would have been easier.

Now, the baton he carried has fallen—but it has not shattered. It lies before us, waiting to be grasped by those willing to continue the race. We cannot and must not falter. To retreat into fear is to yield to oppression. To grow silent now is to betray the very ideals for which he laboured.

Let us honour Charlie Kirk not with words alone, but with action. Let us be watchmen on the walls of liberty, guardians of truth, and defenders of the faith that sustained him. The work he began is now ours to carry forward.

We will not yield. We will not surrender. We will not allow tyranny to triumph. For his legacy, for his family, for the generations yet unborn—we march onward.

Eternal rest grant unto him, O Lord. And may his courage ignite our own.”

Not soley based on immigration - they do have a manifesto and policies on a whole raft of things.

Personally I am looking forward to seeing how they get on in government... can't be worse than any of the latest options.

So yep, I'll be voting for them just because why not. Shake things up a bit.

Yes I've nothing to atone for because being Scottish my ancestry would have been likely to have been fucked over as well.
Now I must return the letter about 1810.😁👍

Brushing aside is in no way synonymous with apologising.
‘To brush aside’, means to ignore/ to disregard/ to dismiss… so how does that sentence answer my question? Oh, that’s right… it doesn’t. You just wanted to rant about something I never actually said and start swearing into the bargain for no apparent reason. Ohhhhkayyyyy. backs away slowly