My son has gone on the march

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Hi, have been on here years but only lurk, don’t post. But today is the day.
I am in bits. My 22yr old DS is in London on this march. I am shaking and utterly appalled. We differ on politics massively and have done for some time. I work in education, have travelled and am bit of a lefty hippy but to be honest it’s becoming more about values and morals. He is fully immersed in the manosphere algorithm and I’ve always thought he is exploring himself and things and have chats about why he has the opinions he does and try and understand his point of view. I try not to belittle him but try and get him to critically think about things.
But this I can’t deal with. I am so upset that my son has gone to this, and that it is something that is so far away from me and my values, something that I thought I had instilled in him as well.
I am totally aware that it’s triggered embarrassment but that is my issue and I’m not putting that on him. He is still my son and I love him and his passion and interest in the world, just in something I believe is so wrong and makes me sad.
Please talk some sense into me.

Exactly labelling is what the left do best to anyone who thinks differently from them. 3million people in London today....families all colours all races and churches. The lazy labelling is getting tired look at live things what actual people actually say do make your minds up then just saying

i agree with many people want to stop the Boats
but this rally has been taken over by the extreme right wing which isnt what most people feel

Suspect 2029 GE result might come as a bit of a surprise to you.

I live in a rural village, historically conservative voting. All now planning on voting Reform next time.

Marching in favour of using mass-murder, rape, torture, and kidnapping to get what you want? I’d be so proud 🙄

Thats horrendous @Jujujudo .

Can you describe what the women looked like. Will you report it to the police

Yeah but nobody did, did they!

Cool. Presumably, they’ll all be okay with having to pay for private healthcare when Farage dismantles the NHS, as he has expressed a desire to do. No, let me guess… they’ll be whinging about how no one told them that he wanted to do that.

This is from an article published last year:

“One notable change from recent Lennon events was the more overtly pro-Christian element to the day’s proceedings. In recent months Lennon has begun to talk more regularly about God and Jesus and that was reflected today with numerous speakers and singers referencing Christianity and chants from the stage of ‘Christ Is King.” There was also a band from the Spirit Embassy London church in Bruce Grove, Tottenham.
However, perhaps the most extreme speech was delivered by Bishop Ceirion Dewar who screamed:
We are not at war with just the Muslim, we are not at war with just woke ideology, we are not at war with just cancel culture but we are at war with four hundred and twelve idiots that sit on those benches just up there. […] We are the defence walls upon which modernity and multiculturalism crash.

Bishop Dewar has previously addressed a UKIP meeting.
While the English Defence League drew on Christian and crusader imagery Lennon has never organised an event as overtly Christian in tone as todays.”

https://hopenothate.org.uk/2024/07/27/tommy-robinson-leads-huge-far-right-demonstration-in-london/

This ideology is very clearly coming from the US.

And therein lies the difference the extreme far right is a very different animal to the far right of which I'm neither I may add.

No. But they do indeed lower potential income for those who are legally allowed to work by being a competition which shouldn't be there.
Cannot wait when HMRC fuly hits the actual account owners with taxes on these accounts.

There are people who see themselves as open minded as they are pro immigration and many of the so called woke causes but aren’t open minded enough to understand the concerns of their own people and won’t engage without calling them far right, then they are shocked by Brexit. He’s probably closer to the majority opinion than OP is.

Don't be silly.

I am not going to be held responsible for the actions of a handful of rich people hundreds of years ago.

No other descendants of empires are expected to apologise for sharing the same ethnicity as historic conquerors and enslavers - many of whom did far more damage than the British Empire, without any of the good.

The Turks aren't apologising, Mongols aren't apologising, Arabs aren't apologising, etc.

If I were to tell a Turk to apologise for enslaving 3 million Europeans, for genociding Armenians, for living on stolen land, you'd no doubt call me a racist.

Exactly. The illegal migrants have not been treated badly AT ALL, so what on earth is this poster talking about? Illegal migrants are treated better than UK citizens. THAT is the problem. And YOU Op, and all of us tax payers, are paying for it. Lovely jubbly eh? How anyone can think that's fine is utterly baffling to me. People should migrate via LEGAL channels. Op, if you turned up at Heathrow without a passport, YOU wouldn't get in.

So it would be a good thing if they could work legally then and pay tax.

Point of order - it seems Charlie Kirk’s murderer came from even further right, not the left.
It’s abhorrent either way, obvs, but don’t blame it on the left.

I very much doubt if these workers you speak of are filing any tax returns !

There’s half wits and racists everywhere, it’s important not to take them seriously

Still baffled as to how the British Empire has any relevance in the conversation. What’s the point of raising it?

Everyone else seems to be mostly let off for the awful things that people living in the same country a long time ago did, apart from the UK for some reason.

The Germans don't seem to get nearly the same amount of grief for what happened during the second world war and that was less than a hundred years ago (and to be clear, I don't think that modern Germans should get any grief for it).

A lot of it seems to come from within the UK itself - we seem to be unique in our willingness to beat ourselves up over something that none of us actually did.

Good for him. He's attending a rally titled United the Kingdom IN the United Kingdom and you're appalled?

Sounds like a you problem.

I would feel disturbed if my male family members were attending a march with speakers such as Katie Hopkins and Steve Bannon.

No advice for you except to keep dialogue open

She's being racist against white Brits.

No, I don’t. They’re being exploited though, aren't they? The employer could do the right thing and a)check ID and b)pay the minimum wage. And if the employer is doing all it can but someone else is taking some of the money, that person is exploiting the migrant.

Well the rest of Europe did when they invaded Poland. But unfortunately not enough people in Germany did. They'd fallen for the lies.

There were police by me who didn’t do anything but try to move me away. After I walked to the side with the other man, he went over to tell them what was going on. They said that if they weren’t violent towards me then they wouldn’t intervene and suggested that I don’t walk by them in the future because it’s provocative. The whole thing upset me, but it’s not the first time I’ve experienced something like this - it was my mistake for walking by the protest but I found myself in the middle of it without meaning to as it was toward the tail end - a few people in groups with flags. The point I’m making is that it’s hypocritical for people to go off on one about racism etc without being critical of ALL marches, no matter what they believe in. I have a right to feel safe just like others do.