My son has gone on the march

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Hi, have been on here years but only lurk, don’t post. But today is the day.
I am in bits. My 22yr old DS is in London on this march. I am shaking and utterly appalled. We differ on politics massively and have done for some time. I work in education, have travelled and am bit of a lefty hippy but to be honest it’s becoming more about values and morals. He is fully immersed in the manosphere algorithm and I’ve always thought he is exploring himself and things and have chats about why he has the opinions he does and try and understand his point of view. I try not to belittle him but try and get him to critically think about things.
But this I can’t deal with. I am so upset that my son has gone to this, and that it is something that is so far away from me and my values, something that I thought I had instilled in him as well.
I am totally aware that it’s triggered embarrassment but that is my issue and I’m not putting that on him. He is still my son and I love him and his passion and interest in the world, just in something I believe is so wrong and makes me sad.
Please talk some sense into me.

But you could say that about those who support any cause couldn’t you? I mean, some of the “queers for Palestine” were stunned when they were told they’d be killed or imprisoned in Palestine for being gay. And the protesters who couldn’t tell you from which river to which sea. It seems a lot of people are being fed shit by online algorithms.

And you aren’t?

Exactly - we don't want any illegals here who haven't contributed to the "pot".

We have enough problems looking after our own citizens.

Oh dear, you might want to do some fact checking

Have you seen the hotel protests? Who were the ones being vocal?

I think it's more to do with the small boat crossings and Labour's promise in the run up to the GE that they would "smash the gangs" and "take back control of our borders" . What's happened, more than 50,000 migrants crossing in small boats this year. When you have over 1,000 migrants crossing in one day and they suddenly have to have accommodation found for them of course that's going to have an effect on local communities. This country is in a mess.

op it is a phase, it is his AGE
my own DD went on a protest at that age.
it wasnt the same one and luckily she has stopped going on protests.
some youngsters dont even know what they are protesting about, Rent a riot!

You do know that asylum seekers are not allowed to contribute to the 'pot'?

Do you realise that claiming asylum is not illegal?

That's because they are not allowed to work for around two years I think it is.

Antifa will be putting in an appearance soon, I am told.

What about migrants and asylum seekers?

And it's "you" not "we".

Wow. Karma.

Like the Romans, the Danes or the French…

I wish people would wake up that the left and the right are being used by the people at the top to divert attention away from them. If people are arguing with each other they are not looking at what the government are doing. They want mass illegal immigration, they could stop it tomorrow but they won’t. They will use it to divide and conquer. Mass immigration is never a good thing and that is why in the past and present countries go to war to protect them. I don’t blame the immigrants, they are just pawns in the game.

How do you feel outside that?

What march?

The Amy Winehouse one, I think.

We do have enough of our own problems here but I feel like immigrants are taking the flak for them. The housing problem has more to do with council houses having been sold off and very few built to replace them…. Housing stock being sold to overseas investors rather than to people who actually live here (which is, frankly, outrageous)… Air bnb should just be outlawed, as far as I’m concerned. The state of the nhs is down to underfunding…and hasn’t been helped by the amount of people we lost after brexit. The state of this country generally, outside of things outside our control, is down to government mismanagement. Ever-increasing water bills in this day and age of polluted waterways up and down the country…and there’s nothing we do about it. We’re paying for this shit and we’re paying people who don’t live here and don’t give a toss about us. Everything has been sold off and they have us over a barrel. The shit was always gonna hit the fan and illegal immigrants are a convenient scapegoat. Before them, people on benefits were taking the hit.

Meanwhile, at the other end of the spectrum, the country is being robbed blind. Aside from the ppe pisstake, randoms are being paid over £300 a day just to rock up to the House of Lords. There they are able to eat discounted gourmet meals because God knows they need the help. 32 year old Charlotte Owen is one such random. Who the hell is she? Who knows. But she sure as hell has a good gig.

Then you have the likes of Esther McVey claiming tens of thousands of pounds of taxpayers money to rent a london flat, despite having a property in London anyway. The legal ways in which MPs have taken the absolute piss are no doubt myriad…and they just, largely, get away with it. Like Jeremy Hunt getting out of paying stamp duty by purchasing seven properties at once. But yeah, let’s all just point he finger at illegal immigrants who, incidentally, have no way of getting here legally.

OP, I would feel the same as you.
As others have said you need to keep discussing the issues with him.
Ask lots of open questions.
Ask him why he thinks this, who he’s heard it from, what they are worried about, what are the causes and solutions.
Let him know you disagree but try not to impose your views on him.
Hopefully he is clever enough to figure it out for himself.

“We”? You are perfectly entitled to your point of view, we all are, but “we” is one hell of a stretch.

You’re the second person who has deliberately misinterpreted a perfectly clear statement. The poster wasn’t saying protecting women and girls is crap. She was saying the suggestion these particular people are at all concerned about protecting women and girls is crap. She’s right. They are weaponising it and I’m heartily sick of being used. I don’t suppose any of them have called out the racially aggravated rape of a young Sikh woman, have they?

Ask the Batley teacher who is still in hiding.

Because working would only strengthen their claim to stay in UK.
There is already a "black economy" without encouraging any more undercutting of wages.

So..... you think this pp deserves a broken ankle for having different political views to yourself??

There's nothing open minded about beleiveing that immigrant men are the biggest risk to women and children, that's just ignoring facts. Women and children are at most risk from partners and family members.

That's just because immigrants are much fewer in number than British born males. The latest figures seem to be showing that Afghan males are 3x more likely to commit sex crimes.

It's hardly surprising when UN surveys find almost 90% of men in the four middle eastern countries they surveyed admitting to commiting public sexual assault because it's 'fun'.

Sexual assault is present everywhere in the world but until the last decade we'd never seen the type of mob sexual assaults that have been common in the middle east for decades.

I don't really care about people's background, religion, ethnicity, etc, so long as they're decent individuals but when 1200 women get sexually assaulted in one night by Muslim men almost exclusively being foreign nationals/asylum seekers something is going very wrong!