Turn your son in knowing it’s the death penalty?

[TaupeLemur]

Kirk’s killer has apparently been turned in by his family - or persuaded to hand himself in.
Trump &’his supporters have been very vocal about getting the death penalty for the shooter.

would YOU hand your child over, knowing that the electric chair would be the likely outcome?

YANBU - I wouldn’t turn him in to die.

YABU - I would he’s a killer and deserves all he gets

Don’t want to do time, don’t do the crime.

No one to blame but himself. Yes, I’d say it if it were my own son. I don’t hold him to a different standard. If you hold a principle, you don’t alter it to suit yourself.

I feel like life is a lot cheaper in the US. 45k gun deaths and year, endless school shootings, police constantly shooting civilians, those ‘stand your ground’ laws in some States that
mean can kill someone and say you felt threatened, regardless if it’s true or not.

Also sending your dc to jail in the UK doesn't guarantee they are safe as many murderers & pedophiles are harmed in jail wither by their hand or others.

I imagine Charlie Kirk videos have been viewed more times in the last couple of days than they have in the last month. He's been martyred.

But you wouldn’t be. Your job isn’t to decide if someone should be killed. That’s been done elsewhere already.

Your job is to decide based on evidence whether the suspect committed the crime. The consequences of that aren’t your responsibility- at least only the same degree as very other citizen in the country.

"So you’d sit by and allow your son to take innocent lives?"
Ringojuice
I would not turn him in, emotions come into this as well. I am his Mother, but the overriding factor is I would not help in his death. Also I would not be a hypocrite as I don't believe in state sanctioned murder. Do you have a son Ringo? If so you do what you think is right and I will fo the same. Up to you.

No.

I was shocked by this murder and I despise the celebrations and whataboutery that have followed. But I remain totally opposed to the death penalty and, if this young man is found guilty, I would support clemency although I realise that this seems highly unlikely.

Even if I supported the death penalty, no I would not turn in my own child. Make of that what you will.

I'd have probably raised him better not to kill people.

Honestly I don’t know and I hope I never have to find out.

Generally, while I don’t support the death penalty at all, I think if you have made the choice to commit murder in a DP state then you have to be prepared to face those consequences if you get caught.

@Cherrytree86 some mothers do cover their child's crimes up 🤷🏻‍♀️

My verdict could result in someone losing their life, and I couldn't live with that. I would feel responsible for that happening.

To add, if he does get the death penalty (and that is still an if) if would most likely be a very long time before it was carried out, giving a lot of time for appeals etc. Utah currently has a man on Death Row who has been there almost 40 years.

The huge problem with the death penalty is that in many cases it isn't possible to say with 100% certainty that the accused carried out the crime and sometimes it turns out later that they didn't. You can release someone who's been falsely convicted and sent to prison and pay them compensation. You can't resurrect someone who's been falsely convicted and executed. That's what gives me pause.

Realistically if your dc had got to the point that they thought killing a stranger publicly was the right thing to do then their mental stability would worry me & I wouldn't want them running around harming others & I wouldn't want them shot dead by the law. I also have other dc to think about.

Yet another problem with it. It's incredibly expensive keeping people on death row for extended periods. There are also many appeals which, as well as costing huge amounts, force the victim's family to reface the crime/criminal again and again. Far better to lock them up for life.

Her job as a juror includes being able to live with her conscience.

It is not your place to presume to tell jurors that.

Those who show no clemency or mercy shouldn’t expect it from others. There’s no moral value in toleration and forgiveness without limit. You take a life? You should lose yours.

In every single case?

Those cases where it isn’t 100% clear - no. But when it’s proven beyond all doubt - no problem.

If you prepare for the crime and set out purposely to murder someone, a stranger to you, in cold blood? Yes.

Cross that bridge if it comes! You'd genuinely put others at that level of risk? Crikey. This is a scary thread.

@jasflowers

who gives a shit if it’s “out of character”?! Like that makes a jot of difference to the murdered man’s family?? It’s doesn’t matter if he’s been lovely every day of his life bar the day of the shooting. He’s absolute scum.

What if your young child got raped and killed by a perpetrator who then was released from prison a few years later (as is often the case especially in the UK). How would that be justice?

I’ve never felt this strongly about anyone before, I didn’t like Kirk or his political beliefs however absolutely no one should be murdered for having said beliefs, especially more so the way he was murdered.

He deserves to be dead, not just for Kirk’s death but for all of those poor innocent bystanders who had to watch a man being assassinated in front of them causing unfold trauma.

He deserves to be dead, for his poor mother and father , who had to watch their son be assassinated in front of thousands and subsequently millions of people.

He deserves to be dead, because his poor wife has lost the love of her life and will never grow old with her husband, shattering her heart over and over again for all of the things they never got to do.

He deserves to be dead as his poor children have lost their father in absolutely brutal circumstances and when older they will have to endure the absolute horror of the public assassination of their daddy!

If I thought they were so mentally deficient they’d do it again, as I do believe you need to be mentally deficient in some way to do what this young man did, then potentially if I knew I was sheltering a murderer who would go on to kill again, I may feel I had to.

and none of us know how it went down when he admitted it, he may have admitted it, been threatening it, and telling his father he was lining up more targets. I don’t think any of us can judge here.