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Havetoagree · 2025-09-11T20:28:21+00:00

Just that really? I hadn’t and wondering if I’m the only one. And why is it such a big story? I guess the association with trump. What would be the equivalent level of fame over here?

iampassionateaboutchange · 12/09/2025 09:57

theiblis · 12/09/2025 09:53

Google is free and someone further up has posted some of his more delightful quotes. He wa both massively racist and misogynistic. This man absolutely did not deserve to get shot for his opinions. But when you spout hate, it makes people hate you. He even went so far as to say he would would force his 10yr old daughter to give birth if she was raped rather than let her choose an abortion. He also said empathy is a made up new age word!!!! What kind of a human being is that????? Certainly one that has no levels of decency or empathy at all. In fact he has been shown so much more empathy over his death than he would have ever given anyone else.

I suggest you watch the Cambridge debates… very enlightening.

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In the cambridge debates I don't think he was 100 pc right or wrong, but one thing he did say which was very interesting was that the UK was heading towards becoming a 3rd world hellhole...

...which, well, to be honest if we carry on as we are, we are, aren't we?

Allmarbleslost · 12/09/2025 09:58

No I hadn't but my teenagers both had. Vile specimen of a man.

YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 12/09/2025 09:59

Underthinker · 12/09/2025 09:53

It was repeated several times by a couple of posters that CK said that
"black woman do not have brain processing power".
A video was shared by a user called something like MasterBeth, supposedly to back this up, but in which he categorically did not say the above quote or any combination of words that could mean the same thing. I can't prove the negative that he has never said that, but if there was evidence I expect that would have been supplied.

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13th July 2023 on the Charlie Kirk show. Talking about 4 specific women inc Michelle Obama. I agree he was at that moment talking about specific people not black women in general. I would still say it was racism in the context as were his later comments on black women in general.

If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because affirmative action?
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 3 January 2024

If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they’re coming out and they’re saying it for us … You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 13 July 2023

Heather Mac Donald to Charlie Kirk: “White civilization has decided to engage in the great replacement theory, and to go down without a fight”

https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/heather-mac-donald-charlie-kirk-white-civilization-has-decided-engage-great

BadgesforBadgers · 12/09/2025 10:00

iampassionateaboutchange · 12/09/2025 09:54

It is difficult to know where to start here, as all of this is taken out of context. And by the way I am not categorising him as "good" or "bad", I am just fed up of people jumping on bandwagons. Re the black pilot thing, I am not sure he said those exact words, but what he was talking about was a DEI policy to make sure certain minority groups were employed whether they were qualified or not, and many super qualified people not getting jobs.... read into it - he was criticial of the insane DEI policy which has now been highly criticised. Not saying that people of colour cannot be pilots.

DEI should be about equality irrespective of race or colour or sex. Not about special provision for under qualified or unsuitable people who just happen to be of colour or female. (Yes, I was born female)

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Right

You obviously don't know what Racism is

You don't believe factual evidence ( " I'm not sure he said those exact words" - It's a quote.)

You have no idea what DEI is.

I think you need to back away from this thread and stop making yourself look so ignorant in your eagerness to defend awful, MAGA viewpoints.

JHound · 12/09/2025 10:00

I see that in response to a crazy white man killing a crazy white man, MAGAts have been sending threats to HBCUs forcing some to close.

Because that makes sense….

KermitTheToad · 12/09/2025 10:00

I had never heard of him, but DD24 and my college students had. Not a nice way to go, but people saying they liked him and his views?? He was an extremist in my view.

TheSwarm · 12/09/2025 10:01

iampassionateaboutchange · 12/09/2025 09:54

It is difficult to know where to start here, as all of this is taken out of context. And by the way I am not categorising him as "good" or "bad", I am just fed up of people jumping on bandwagons. Re the black pilot thing, I am not sure he said those exact words, but what he was talking about was a DEI policy to make sure certain minority groups were employed whether they were qualified or not, and many super qualified people not getting jobs.... read into it - he was criticial of the insane DEI policy which has now been highly criticised. Not saying that people of colour cannot be pilots.

DEI should be about equality irrespective of race or colour or sex. Not about special provision for under qualified or unsuitable people who just happen to be of colour or female. (Yes, I was born female)

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As you say, context is important.

For example, Kirk saying what he did about black pilots. As a once-off, you could possibly argue that a person is making a point, albeit clumsily, about DEI policy.

But let's put it into context, shall we?

Kirk was a white supremicist who repeatedly showed us what he thought about people from minority groups. He denied the very existence of racism within the US and was actively opposed to the idea of equal rights. So for him to say one more racist thing was not really much of a surprise.

YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 12/09/2025 10:02

iampassionateaboutchange · 12/09/2025 09:54

It is difficult to know where to start here, as all of this is taken out of context. And by the way I am not categorising him as "good" or "bad", I am just fed up of people jumping on bandwagons. Re the black pilot thing, I am not sure he said those exact words, but what he was talking about was a DEI policy to make sure certain minority groups were employed whether they were qualified or not, and many super qualified people not getting jobs.... read into it - he was criticial of the insane DEI policy which has now been highly criticised. Not saying that people of colour cannot be pilots.

DEI should be about equality irrespective of race or colour or sex. Not about special provision for under qualified or unsuitable people who just happen to be of colour or female. (Yes, I was born female)

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But the racism about the dei is believing that standards are lowered. And that’s the thing he played into. Any black pilot still has to meet the same standards, pass the same tests.

LlttledrummergirI · 12/09/2025 10:02

No, but everything I've read makes me think he was a despicable hateful little man who i would have disliked intensely.

On here, there are people who would have you believe he was a saint.

Facts are being twisted to fit this narrative.

FOJN · 12/09/2025 10:03

Petrolitis · 12/09/2025 08:32

You really respected a man who said he would force his daughter to carry a pregnancy if she was raped?

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Respect and agreement are not the same thing.

You can respect someone for being willing to honestly express their opinions and debate them even if you disagree with them.

Underthinker · 12/09/2025 10:03

Bruminbrum · 12/09/2025 09:34

someone posted on the thread the context of that actual very real quote and he was talking about Michelle Obama - it’s on the thread go find it.

you need to just accept Kirk for who he was a white supremacist Christian nationalist, but I guess you don’t want to identify with that movement so you’re trying to make him into something he wasn’t so you don’t have to say you’re aligned with those beliefs also

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No it's more that if any famous person tragically died, whether that was Kirk, Greta Thunberg, Donald Trump, Gary Lineker or Taylor Swift. I would refrain from airing any negative opinions on them in the immediate hours following their death, and if for some reason I couldn't do that, I'd make very sure that the allegations I made about them were true and fair and not just copied from some reddit echo chamber.

RingoJuice · 12/09/2025 10:04

TheSwarm · 12/09/2025 10:01

As you say, context is important.

For example, Kirk saying what he did about black pilots. As a once-off, you could possibly argue that a person is making a point, albeit clumsily, about DEI policy.

But let's put it into context, shall we?

Kirk was a white supremicist who repeatedly showed us what he thought about people from minority groups. He denied the very existence of racism within the US and was actively opposed to the idea of equal rights. So for him to say one more racist thing was not really much of a surprise.

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Let’s put in context where FAA wanted to diversify the ATC and because black candidates weren’t passing the standardized tests. They went with biographical assessment instead.

They basically passed over qualified white candidates who passed the standardized test because they had the wrong skin color.

Chambala · 12/09/2025 10:07

YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 12/09/2025 09:53

Tells me everything I need to know about you. There’s no point me trying to have a discussion with someone who denies racism exists. Who’s arguments are full of whataboutery.

we obviously have different ideas of what is racist and what is justified. I do find that most racists don’t agree about what constitutes racism. Guess it helps them sleep at night. Have a lovely day.

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And yet again a radical leftist throws her toys out of the pram and refuses to debate. It's becoming a common theme.

FOJN · 12/09/2025 10:08

https://www.hpluckrose.com/p/no-excuses-for-political-murder-07d?r=518mah&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

No Excuses for Political Murder

Beyond the partisan fight, the murder of Charlie Kirk presents a choice: liberty or violence.

https://www.hpluckrose.com/p/no-excuses-for-political-murder-07d?r=518mah&triedRedirect=true

Chambala · 12/09/2025 10:09

YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 12/09/2025 10:02

But the racism about the dei is believing that standards are lowered. And that’s the thing he played into. Any black pilot still has to meet the same standards, pass the same tests.

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The fact that a liability like the bumbling incompetent like David Lammy is in the UK cabinet shows you that DEI quota's are very much alive and well in Starmer's authoritarian UK.

Forestfire12345 · 12/09/2025 10:10

Yes absolutely heard of him . Age 50 odd. Appalling and vile views . If he said it and I agreed I'd be worried and check myself.
He said executions should be done quickly , in public and live televised.
He said gun deaths were inevitable price of of gun freedom and it was worth it .
Said he'd force his 9 year old give birth if needed to .
The list is endless .... Live by the sword

TheJoyOfWriting · 12/09/2025 10:11

Before this closes, can we please NOT say violence is Left only. It is universal. DNC pipe bombs, Shapiro, Pelosi, Whitmer, Hortman, Esther Salas. 13 neo Nazi and similar far right attacks were done last year.

Dramatic · 12/09/2025 10:11

thebabayaga2025 · 12/09/2025 09:54

As JK Rowling tweeted earlier: "If you believe free speech is for you but not your political opponents, you're illiberal. If no contrary evidence could change your beliefs, you're a fundamentalist. If you believe the state should punish those with contrary views, you're a totalitarian. If you believe political opponents should be punished with violence or death, you're a terrorist." Three hundred and thirty three thousand likes and counting. Thank God for rational, compassionate voices who are willing to call a terrorist a terrorist.

And, as Elon Musk tweeted "The left is the party of murder".

Two people from opposite ends of the political spectrum, one who has traditional leftist values and voted left at the last election. One who is right wing and voted for Trump.

Both are correct.

Every single person crowing about the slaughter of a man in front of his young children for speaking words you do not agree with is a fascist and totalitarian, in favour of terrorism and murder.

I don't respond to such scum, just to be clear.

And before yesterday I had not heard of him, but I quickly educated myself and discovered that he was a law abiding man who did not advocate violence but believed in free speech.

Those who have been screaming about the danger from the right with their guns turned out to be the violent and dangerous ones all along.

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No one is saying they are "in favour" of terrorism and murder, they're saying that they aren't sad about it. And why should they be? Charlie Kirk certainly wouldn't have been if it was anyone else.

Underthinker · 12/09/2025 10:12

YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 12/09/2025 09:59

13th July 2023 on the Charlie Kirk show. Talking about 4 specific women inc Michelle Obama. I agree he was at that moment talking about specific people not black women in general. I would still say it was racism in the context as were his later comments on black women in general.

If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because affirmative action?
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 3 January 2024

If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they’re coming out and they’re saying it for us … You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 13 July 2023

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Yes so you agree with me. And in the ellipsis in your quote, is a video of a black woman discussing her experience of positive action, this is the specific woman his quote is addressing.

TheJoyOfWriting · 12/09/2025 10:12

iampassionateaboutchange · 12/09/2025 09:57

In the cambridge debates I don't think he was 100 pc right or wrong, but one thing he did say which was very interesting was that the UK was heading towards becoming a 3rd world hellhole...

...which, well, to be honest if we carry on as we are, we are, aren't we?

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He made also ridiculous statements about women in burgas everywhere. The burka should be banned but a tiny % of UK women wear it.

Dramatic · 12/09/2025 10:13

iampassionateaboutchange · 12/09/2025 09:57

In the cambridge debates I don't think he was 100 pc right or wrong, but one thing he did say which was very interesting was that the UK was heading towards becoming a 3rd world hellhole...

...which, well, to be honest if we carry on as we are, we are, aren't we?

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I think America is much more "third world hellhole" than the UK.

TheJoyOfWriting · 12/09/2025 10:13

Underthinker · 12/09/2025 10:12

Yes so you agree with me. And in the ellipsis in your quote, is a video of a black woman discussing her experience of positive action, this is the specific woman his quote is addressing.

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Which woman?

EasternStandard · 12/09/2025 10:13

Forestfire12345 · 12/09/2025 10:10

Yes absolutely heard of him . Age 50 odd. Appalling and vile views . If he said it and I agreed I'd be worried and check myself.
He said executions should be done quickly , in public and live televised.
He said gun deaths were inevitable price of of gun freedom and it was worth it .
Said he'd force his 9 year old give birth if needed to .
The list is endless .... Live by the sword

It doesn’t match that saying at the end of your post. He lived by talking about stuff, people could do that in return. Not assassinate someone.

Dramatic · 12/09/2025 10:14

EasternStandard · 12/09/2025 10:13

It doesn’t match that saying at the end of your post. He lived by talking about stuff, people could do that in return. Not assassinate someone.

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Lived by the sword that gun deaths were worth it.

GinAndJuice99 · 12/09/2025 10:15

No I'd never heard of him and neither had my partner. Both of our teenage kids had (they didn't like him). Bizarre how much American content they get through social media - we're always hearing these awful grating voices emanating from their little devices. It's just as real as UK content to them. Hopefully they'll grow out of it.