Had you heard of Charlie Kirk before yesterday?

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Just that really? I hadn’t and wondering if I’m the only one. And why is it such a big story? I guess the association with trump. What would be the equivalent level of fame over here?

Yes, he celebrated that attack didn’t he, asked for an “amazing patriot” to bail the attacker out of prison. Wow!

And now that clown Lammy wading in with his opinion. Like he hasn’t learnt anything from his previous inappropriate bleatings. When will the man realise that with power comes responsibility to say the right thing at the right time.

Here is Kirk comparing being actively gay to being an alcohol or drug addict.

https://meidasnews.com/news/trump-campaign-partner-charlie-kirk-called-being-gay-an-error-praised-stoning-to-death

Yes I knew who he was and enjoyed watching his debates . Others like him too are candice Owen’s, Matt Walsh, and Ben Shapiro. Enjoy watching them all

Here's the groomers speech.

https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/charlie-kirk-groomers-cant-reproduce-so-instead-they-recruit-they-go-serve-school?page=0

Did it really lead to lowering of standards in the FAA ATC? Because I thought there was no independent evidence it had done? A statement from the unhinged Trump saying it had done doesn’t make it a fact!

Yes, I’ve followed him for years.

People are going to be more vocal about their conservative views after this.

His assassination has changed me.

Usually I would be quiet and keep my views to myself.

Something that Charlie Kirk believed in was strong families and he refused to accept anyone’s gender identity. He said what a lot of us believed but were too afraid to say. Now I will be saying it.

I knew of him in a way, just not his name (but I'm not good with names!). Just the guy who was recruiting students for Trump and one of the guys who went to Greenland with Trump's son. Just another MAGA to me. I think you have to be in the US to know how important he was (or not). But any political figure being assassinated makes the news and raises their profile.

What are your conservative views apart from those? I agree w what you say about gender and family.

This is a typical opinion held by conservative Christians. They believe homosexuality is a sin. Often they’ll qualify it by, love the sinner but hate the sin (ie that’s why he brings up addiction in this context)

Yes. I am 56 and watched his stuff regularly. I liked him. Really clever bloke and very good debater. Didn't agree with him all the time, but interesting to watch.

RIP Charlie, you will be missed.

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1BHdYMtD2E/

Charged with what?

Do you disagree w lgb (not T) rights like marriage & parenting? Or can 'strong family' also include gay couples w kids, in your view?

I'm not going to jump on you whatever view you hold, I just am curious.

Never heard of the guy until he was shot but then I don’t follow other right wing social media people like Candice Owen.

There is a weird irony in a fella who advocated for gun ownership and felt some gun deaths were worth it for the right to bear arms was shot and killed.

Did he deserve to die? No.

I had heard of him but not watched his debates as he was too right wing. Perhaps that was wrong of me. Can anyone please direct me to good examples of solid debate. I am not interested in soundbites, tiktok clips etc, I think they are always edited to give a selected view
Proper balanced respectful debates with facts not random selected stats would be interesting. Thanks

Ah so it’s Christian fundamentalism, that’s ok then.

unrelated when Muslims say they aren’t ok with homosexuality because it’s a sin is that ok? That’s normally used as a beating stick for Muslims, against Islam

But both here and in the US these “young impressionable” students have universities over a barrel with their opinions. They’ve become cesspits of authoritarianism with those guilty of wrongthink pilloried. Just look at the University of Sussex and its treatment of Professor Kathleen Stock.
So maybe it’s time for those opinions to be challenged.
Bernie Saunders’s statement addressed this. You debate ideas, and if you’re ideas can’t stand up, if you can’t articulate them, perhaps they’re not as valid as you think they are.
We see this time and again with trans activists. Ask one what trans is and they’re still there half an hour later floundering around - that’s if they deign to answer the question at all.

I hope you can understand why gay people and their family and friends might have some dislike for conservative Christians fir that kind of view, then.

I am older than you and knew a fair bit about it, I have listened to some of his discussions, and had googled him to find out about his work generally. What he said was contentious not so much because it was objectively contentious but because it went against the tide of the extreme liberal and extreme progressive.

I hope we find out who was behind the shooting, which power group. I think the most notable thing about it all was the fact that it was done in front of a huge crowd - almost as though it is saying "this is what will happen to you if you think like he does". Appalling, but not hugely shocking as it isn't the first time and sadly won't be the last. These sort of power games go back a long way. Read up on what MPs critical of the 1st ww were saying about fake propaganda used to stir the masses in hatred after the war.

We live in dangerous times because people are being pitted against each other by such sophisticated manipulation, some are losing their humanity.

This one I absolutely agree with him when it comes to trans activists.

I do think LGB are being misinterpreted here by Charlie. They probably recall themselves as alone and misunderstood and wishing they had an adult figure that understood them. It’s an innocent reason to go into schools and start gay alliance clubs and such.

Yes I had heard of him. Horrible man, racist, sexist, homophobic, white supremacist. Extremism of any variety is unpleasant. He was such a fan of guns, because he was ok with black people killing each other - he didn't think it applied to people like himself.
Nobody should be shot, ever, but he was a victim of his own success.

The black pilots thing, the black women's intelligence thing, the stoning gay people thing, all these were misleading in some way. If he was as bad as people want us to believe, they should be able to provide honest examples.

Well that’s mostly in the UK. Per capita we don’t have a huge Muslim population. So it’s mostly a conservative Christian belief.

Islam and homosexuality is a huge wedge issue in the UK and it’s surprising nobody has tried to pry apart the Labor Party using it.

Trouble is he didn't stop there, as an evangelical Christian and an exponent of traditional family life, fine (you can believe or not but that's his opinion). As an evangelical MAGA, gun ownership, Trump was cheated in the last election, anti vaccine, etc, not so much (still his opinion but not so wholesome).