To think disruptive behaviour in schools is out of hand?

[Absentosaur]

‘Children at state schools are almost three times more likely to have their lessons disrupted by poor behaviour than their privately educated peers, a widespread survey of parents has found.’

https://archive.md/HMGtJ accessible link to article .

18% 16-18yr olds go to private school, probably for this reason a lot of the time.

Do we expect the government to do something about it, particularly given they have closed the private school doors to many? What could they be doing to improve the worst state schools??

I would say the majority of kids will be disruptive at some point or another, they are children after all.

And along with it more scrutiny so more people will get to find out what she's really like. I'm looking forward to it.

She only speaks in slogans which have no substance behind them. Start seriously listening to what she says, there is zero actual meaning behind it other than constantly making digs at independent schools.

Yep. Streaming for behaviour as well as intellect

@InMyShowgirlEra

In my opinion, Supernanny gets it right. But she is providing the boundaries and guidance - so she is the key person to the improvement in behaviour. And I still think it’s not the child’s ‘fault’ if they haven’t been given the right support.

And how much guidance would you think appropriate before she is booted out, given that her ‘messing about’ is impacting the learning of her peers ?

Well it just providing data. It’s objective data.

She went into my 'unreconstructed class warrior who should go back to the 1980s' box within weeks of her appointment.

I suspect that the parents of children with SEND, high needs etc disproportionately choose other schools. Michaela can’t overtly select, but simply by having the policies they do they put off a whole segment of the population from sending their kids there.

Take my child with SEN as an example - even without all the other ridiculous policies, a school that bans all outside foods and insists on a pescatarian sit down school lunch each day is not accessible to my child with autism and a very restricted diet. I’m unwilling to send them to a school where they can’t eat anything all day. Therefore I would send them to any other school. It skews their intake.

I’m a teacher in a large comprehensive secondary and I don’t recognise these comments at all. Our school has a good behaviour policy that everyone follows and I would say very little lesson time (if any) is taken with dealing with disruption.

How do we know behaviour is getting worse? All I hear is anecdotes, and my own anecdotal experiences tell me behaviour is no worse than when I went to school.

Mainstream private schools are selective and by and large not dealing with complex SEND, poverty and chaotic home lives. They can exclude anyone who doesn't cope.

We could just make all mainstream schools be able to get rid of their problem children immediately and basically massively upscale PRUs and special schools but it wouldn't be right and it would cost a fortune.

What school? Oh. The rows upon rows of special schools with spaces just waiting to take the child yes?

As far as I know Michaela is over subscribed so if it's not on the child's list of 6 schools they simply won't end up there.
If they don't get in to any of their 6 choices they will be allocated whichever school in the borough which has spaces.
An over subscribed school won't have places so a child could live next door but if it's not on their list - they won't get a place.

People are fed up of it and save to afford 2 years without the eg. bad behaviour / crowded class rooms they’ve experienced in the high school 11-16yrs.

I think you’re right but there’s a difference between a child who is occasionally disruptive and continually disruptive. There was a child last year who used to create havoc in the classroom and all the kids would be evacuated to the corridor 2-3 times a day. I was pretty glad he went to a different high school to my DS.

Yes!!!

Not every child. She doesn’t include privately educated children in her ‘our children’ proclamations.

Hopefully she’s more of a shooting star.

Listen to the teachers.
Listen to the teacher's union.

If people want change it has to stop being an individualistic mission by parents to demand everything they think their one child in that class needs.

Last year's teachers union meeting showed the results why teachers are unhappy in their work and reasons for leaving.

Workload
Pupil Behaviour
Parental Behaviour

Parental behaviour shouldn't even be on the list.

We hand over our children to professional teachers day after day and entrust them with our children's early education. They deserve respect as professionals, from our children, especially our children, and us as parents.

Makes no sense, because again, this disruptive behaviour is unlikely to be happening in post 16 education/sixth form/FE college and parents would know this.

I sit on exclusion Panels at our local Comp
The behaviour bar is set VERY VERY low

Read the article. It’s data not anecdotes.

Oh this is nationwide!
If parents are asking around the village what school you child is going to and smile when they find out their child is going to a different one it should indicate that your child is the problem!
Hence why we worked like bastards to help our eldest get into the conditional 6th form. The ones with a handful of mediocre GCSE results just cannot go there, and boy oh boy does it make a difference.

Maybe we can set up Michaelas all over the place and all the disruptive children go there. The rest of the children can enjoy school that's more like a school and less like a prison.

It depends where you live.

I live in a slightly rural area in SE England and teach at an amazing state secondary. Behaviour is really good. My lessons run smoothly. I have been teaching 20 years so I’m fairly experienced, but I think it is possible to hold children to high standards.

Watching Educating Yorkshire is eye opening for me, because of the constant low-level chat and off-task behaviour. It’s not permitted at my school.

Absolutely. Parental behaviour- that’s why a friend of mine left teaching. And that was primary school. She found an 8yr old watching porn on his phone (😶). She confiscated his phone (which he wasn’t supposed to have), and told him off. His parents came to school the next day berating her. Swearing at her. Instead of discussing the issue which is why they were supposed to be there. She left soon after. What can you say. So wrong on so many levels.what’s going on in that child’s home. Etc etc. Teachers deserve much higher pay and recognition.

The Michaela school is self selecting. Parents who apply have chosen to apply because this is the environment they want. Don’t think this isn’t a major reason the school has little trouble

it is ambitious parents with hard working dc who apply. It’s a free school. Parents apply directly. Unruly dc don’t get allocated this school as its not part of the local authority allocation process.