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To find this little grave location so sad [TRIGGER WARNING]

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BlueandPinkSwan · 09/09/2025 10:04

Our small local churchyard has been cleared by volunteers byself included and old graves of babies and very young children adopted, tidied up and planted with flowers. Looks nice and the little ones are remembered.
I was litter picking and found what I thought was a sheet of glass in some under growth well away from the other graves on the north side of the church, I cleared it to find a small grave with a granite covering of a 3 month old baby. Checked the church yard plans and there is no other burials near this one.
I work with family tree research as part of my job and looked up this child who had an usual name combo, they had no baptism records and buried in the north side where the sun traditionally illuminates for the shortest time of day.
There is so much space on the original church yard plans for burials the year this child was interred but seemingly shut away from other people buried there.
I know you don't have to be baptised to enter heaven but it seems this little child was being cast aside through no fault of their own.
Needless to say, I have cleared brambles and heck knows what from the immediate area, and now little one can have the sun for an hour or two a day shining on them and a small vase of flowers I'm going to replenish each week.
Perhaps should have put on chat but I feel detter for getting it out there.

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ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 09/09/2025 19:08

Not in that case back then, no. Back in 1906 I'm sure plenty of people weren't Christian but officially it was a Christian country, like it or not. Different matter now, but that's what it was then.

reluctantbrit · 09/09/2025 19:28

Toooldtopretend · 09/09/2025 13:21

I very much doubt they forgot, but people have to live their lives which can mean moving away.

At that time babies which died in infancy weren’t that often mentioned to children born afterwards.

My mum did family ancestry and when she spoke to cousins (her mum was one of 10, all her cousins were at least 10-15 years older) and mentioned that there were babies born who died 6-12 months later, these cousins were surprised.

We are talking about people born 1920 onwards.

Grief for stillborn or infant dead wasn’t like it is today, especially if you are rural or working class. My great grandma had around 16 pregnancies in 20 years, I have a photo where she is 45-ish, she looks like an old woman.

BlueandPinkSwan · 09/09/2025 19:40

BeLilacSloth · 09/09/2025 15:32

Of course you’re not going to buy flowers every single week and take them to a grave of a baby you don’t know. This is for self indulgence only, to brag online about. Please leave the family to grieve in peace.

I grow flowers in my garden and buying a cheap bunch of simple flowers doesn't cost me much.
I'm not on social media, facebook etc and apart from talking about it on here noone else will be told.
So take your nasty post and shove it!

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BeLilacSloth · 09/09/2025 20:47

BlueandPinkSwan · 09/09/2025 19:40

I grow flowers in my garden and buying a cheap bunch of simple flowers doesn't cost me much.
I'm not on social media, facebook etc and apart from talking about it on here noone else will be told.
So take your nasty post and shove it!

You’ve mentioned that you’ve told your boss about this. If tampering with babies graves, making up some random narrative (about how it must be forgotten about and all this baptism rubbish) and then bragging about this makes you happy then so be it.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 09/09/2025 21:02

The funny thing about @BeLilacSloth was her ridiculous inability to read. Or the bizarre assumption that the baby's great-great-great-grandnephews and neices still felt the need to grieve, I suppose.

BeLilacSloth · 09/09/2025 21:07

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 09/09/2025 21:02

The funny thing about @BeLilacSloth was her ridiculous inability to read. Or the bizarre assumption that the baby's great-great-great-grandnephews and neices still felt the need to grieve, I suppose.

This also being an assumption 🙄 how do you know that this baby has definitely been forgotten by everyone that knew them.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 09/09/2025 21:13

..... Well. I suppose the mother could be 140 years old but if so, I'd love to know her secret.

Mustbethat · 09/09/2025 21:21

BeLilacSloth · 09/09/2025 21:07

This also being an assumption 🙄 how do you know that this baby has definitely been forgotten by everyone that knew them.

Everyone that knew them?

anyone who knew that child is dead or minimum 120 years old.

i’d say there is definitely no one still alive that knew that baby.

BlueandPinkSwan · 10/09/2025 08:21

BeLilac obviously hasn't read the oening post properly, their nasty attitude says more about them really and I'm not bothered by that. I and others are doing what we feel to be the right thing to do and remember these kids, I'm not the only one a lot of the little graves cleared are being planted and having flowers laid on them.
As I said previously I don't have any social media accounts and certainly wouldn't be loading up this even if I did because I don't need validation from complete strangers. Just doing what I feel is right.

The grave concerned is 119 years old, most graves in the church yard are around 80/ 90 years old and had previously been pretty much left to nature and very over grown.
It is only since we have been clearing it, as volunters, that the stones have seen day light again and why shouldn't they?

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Tryonemoretime · 10/09/2025 09:22

I think that what you and the volunteers are doing is thoughtful, kind and respectful. I hope that you continue to do it!

Uricon2 · 10/09/2025 10:28

BeLilacSloth · 09/09/2025 21:07

This also being an assumption 🙄 how do you know that this baby has definitely been forgotten by everyone that knew them.

This baby died in 1906. How many people who knew them do you think are still alive, @BeLilacSloth ?

Samscaff · 10/09/2025 10:58

Tryonemoretime · 10/09/2025 09:22

I think that what you and the volunteers are doing is thoughtful, kind and respectful. I hope that you continue to do it!

"Thoughtful" for whom? "Kind" to whom?
Obviously it doesn’t do any harm but it seems quite self-indulgent to me and doesn’t actually help anyone. The word "sentimental" would be unkind but I can see why some people might use it.

I agree with @BeLilacSloth .

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 10/09/2025 11:03

At least @BlueandPinkSwan is generally using her time and initiative to do something nice and respectful.

BallybunionTao · 10/09/2025 11:14

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 10/09/2025 11:03

At least @BlueandPinkSwan is generally using her time and initiative to do something nice and respectful.

I agree with @Samscaff -- this baby died in 1906. Bluntly, it does not care how many hours of sun a day its grave gets. @BlueandPinkSwan seems to have invented a narrative of exclusion and ill-treatment of a long-dead child on the most tenuous evidence. I mean, good for her and the other volunteers for clearing up a churchyard, as long as they're not cropping the grass down to nothing and reducing biodiversity, habitats etc, but I don't think there's anything other than pure self-indulgence about inventing stories around a long-dead three-month-old.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 10/09/2025 12:24

God there are so many joyless, miserable-spirited people here.

BlueandPinkSwan · 10/09/2025 12:51

BeLilacSloth · 09/09/2025 21:07

This also being an assumption 🙄 how do you know that this baby has definitely been forgotten by everyone that knew them.

Everyone who knew them?? FFS the child died in 1906 previously stated.

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Submariner · 10/09/2025 12:52

BlushingBrightly · 09/09/2025 12:12

I'm mystified by posters talking about choosing a particular location for a burial within a graveyard or cemetery. Unless you're adding someone to an existing family burial plot, in my experience you don't get to choose: you get the next spot that's listed to be used by the algorithms. None of this picking the place with a nice view. I think people are believing comforting but untrue stories they've been told by other family members.

Me and my family have chosen a burial plot in a local authority cemetery for a loved one within the last year. Choice of 3 spots offered and the one we went for had specific meaning for the person buried, as well as the cemetery as a whole being chosen out of a few options specifically for its location.

BlueandPinkSwan · 10/09/2025 12:59

BallybunionTao · 10/09/2025 11:14

I agree with @Samscaff -- this baby died in 1906. Bluntly, it does not care how many hours of sun a day its grave gets. @BlueandPinkSwan seems to have invented a narrative of exclusion and ill-treatment of a long-dead child on the most tenuous evidence. I mean, good for her and the other volunteers for clearing up a churchyard, as long as they're not cropping the grass down to nothing and reducing biodiversity, habitats etc, but I don't think there's anything other than pure self-indulgence about inventing stories around a long-dead three-month-old.

That is a load of crap, read the thread.
I never said the child was ill treated or not loved. Get your facts right.
I had said that it was sad the grave was awy from others, the parents had added a lovely sentiment on the headstone suggesting the child was much loved.
Noone is inventing anything what would be the point?
As for the biodiversity angle as a devote pagan I am very respectful of nature.
You are entitled to your opinion but the thoughts of a random don't bother me when they are non constructive.

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HarrietBond · 10/09/2025 13:38

This will probably sound unbearably sanctimonious but might it be better to honour the memory of this baby with an act for children alive now? Rather than flowers on a grave.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 10/09/2025 14:12

Good lord. The OP is helping clean up an overgrown graveyard, has found a very old neglected grave and is looking after it. It's a lovely grace-note!

Some people on this thread are the sort to go round sticking pins in a four year old's balloon.

I think what you're doing is lovely, OP.

JudgeJ · 11/09/2025 22:25

MeTooOverHere · 09/09/2025 12:53

True. That was how it was.

I've just transcribed the records from a large local authority cemetery, that was divided into consecrated and non-consecrated ground, presumably based on religious affiliation.

Screamingabdabz · 11/09/2025 22:32

I also think your reaction, whilst admirably kind, is a little OTT for a child who lived and died under completely different social and moral norms a long time ago. They would be completely unaware of where they were buried.

There are plenty of living children in your nearby schools who are suffering poverty and disadvantage who might benefit more from your volunteering and free time.

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