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To find this little grave location so sad [TRIGGER WARNING]

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BlueandPinkSwan · 09/09/2025 10:04

Our small local churchyard has been cleared by volunteers byself included and old graves of babies and very young children adopted, tidied up and planted with flowers. Looks nice and the little ones are remembered.
I was litter picking and found what I thought was a sheet of glass in some under growth well away from the other graves on the north side of the church, I cleared it to find a small grave with a granite covering of a 3 month old baby. Checked the church yard plans and there is no other burials near this one.
I work with family tree research as part of my job and looked up this child who had an usual name combo, they had no baptism records and buried in the north side where the sun traditionally illuminates for the shortest time of day.
There is so much space on the original church yard plans for burials the year this child was interred but seemingly shut away from other people buried there.
I know you don't have to be baptised to enter heaven but it seems this little child was being cast aside through no fault of their own.
Needless to say, I have cleared brambles and heck knows what from the immediate area, and now little one can have the sun for an hour or two a day shining on them and a small vase of flowers I'm going to replenish each week.
Perhaps should have put on chat but I feel detter for getting it out there.

OP posts:
TheGetAlongGang · 09/09/2025 11:22

Bbq1 · 09/09/2025 10:49

That's a lovely gesture, Op. My dm and dd had a, stillborn baby in 1962 and weren't even allowed to see or hold the baby. A funeral or burial service absolutely wasn't offered. Then my poor mum was placed on a post natal ward full of new mothers and new babies... I'm so glad times have changed

My mother had 3 stillbirths in the 70's and exactly the same thing happened

Babies where whipped away and 'dealt with',while she was on a ward for 10 days with the other mothers and babies

They all tried not to catch her eye apparently

She doesn't have a clue what happened to them in the end

tuvamoodyson · 09/09/2025 11:24

KitchiBidziilViho · 09/09/2025 10:50

In my culture we don't tend to graves, we let the earth do as she will. We also wouldn't baptise our children.

Not so much anymore as graveyards are so packed, but we would choose a corner away from everyone as well so nobody would be upset by the grave not being attended. We also have our own rituals, and laying flowers etc isn't one of them.

You may be feeling sad and attributing a backstory is for something that's simply part of a culture that's different to yours.

I don't tend to where my dc are laid to rest, and I don't lay flowers, but that's not to say they aren't loved and they are forgotten. We still honour our ancestors, including children who have died many years ago, well before my time.

I hope someone doesn't come along in a few years and think I simply didn't care about my own children. When I am long gone they will still be honoured.

But it is our culture…which is why it seems strange to US.

Zov · 09/09/2025 11:25

No-one needs to know the baby's name FGS, stop pestering the OP with your nosiness, poking at things you don't need to know. Hmm

@BlueandPinkSwan What a sweet thing for you to do. You sound like a sweet soul. 😘

Negroany · 09/09/2025 11:26

tuvamoodyson · 09/09/2025 11:24

But it is our culture…which is why it seems strange to US.

What do you mean by "our culture"? We don't know the culture of the family of the dead baby.

I'm pretty sure I don't share a culture with you, so "our culture" doesn't exist in this context.

Remingtonsteele · 09/09/2025 11:26

Can I just ask what you mean by this?

“graves of babies and very young children adopted”

it’s such a nice thing you’re doing.

smallpinecone · 09/09/2025 11:27

I’d like to share my point of view, which goes against the grain of this thread I’m afraid. But it touches a nerve.

My eldest boy died some years ago, and we no longer live in the city where he’s buried. All the family have moved away in the years since, so we don’t get there often to visit. But he’s buried with my grandparents (previously unmarked), and that brings me comfort.

A couple of years ago I visited for a week, and on my first visit to the cemetery I discovered someone had taken it upon themselves to ‘adopt’ my child’s grave. They’d taken away the gravel (which came from my grandparents garden) to plant rose bushes, put hot wheels cars and teddies around, and hung little signs on the headstone. Things like ‘precious little one’ - he wasn’t a little one, he was my big boy, a school boy, my pride and joy. He hated being called a little boy. He never liked teddies and he didn’t like cars, he loved trains, he loved Thomas…. I can’t describe how devastated I was. This person didn’t know him at all, knew nothing about him, but they’d taken it upon themselves to decorate his resting place as they saw fit.

This led to a confrontation the next day when she found me removing her rose bushes from the grave and shoving all her assorted crap in the bin. She then had the audacity to argue with me and tell me to my face that she was his sister, and who did I think I was, touching her brother’s grave…. I won’t go into all the details, but I’ve never been so angry in all my life. I’ve never shouted so much at anyone.

When people adopt these graves, I think they should be honest about why they’re doing it. It makes them feel better for ‘caring’ I guess when they feel no one else does, but they could be very wrong. These people have families who love them and cherish their memories still, not the invented ideal of them. They shouldn’t assume that because the grave is in a particular spot that the family didn’t give much thought to the location (my boy is an unusual spot, and that’s because my grandmother chose it, as she could see the hill she grew up on from there). I don’t get to visit as often as I want to, and his grave doesn’t have decorations or flowers because I can’t guarantee they’ll stay nice, and I’d hate them all to be surrounded by fading plastic. But there’s never a single minute of the day I’m not thinking about him. I want other people just to leave him alone with my grandparents, not take it upon themselves to interfere with his grave. His family is looking after him. He doesn’t need strangers to do it.

Katemax82 · 09/09/2025 11:29

Poor little mite

Remingtonsteele · 09/09/2025 11:29

smallpinecone · 09/09/2025 11:27

I’d like to share my point of view, which goes against the grain of this thread I’m afraid. But it touches a nerve.

My eldest boy died some years ago, and we no longer live in the city where he’s buried. All the family have moved away in the years since, so we don’t get there often to visit. But he’s buried with my grandparents (previously unmarked), and that brings me comfort.

A couple of years ago I visited for a week, and on my first visit to the cemetery I discovered someone had taken it upon themselves to ‘adopt’ my child’s grave. They’d taken away the gravel (which came from my grandparents garden) to plant rose bushes, put hot wheels cars and teddies around, and hung little signs on the headstone. Things like ‘precious little one’ - he wasn’t a little one, he was my big boy, a school boy, my pride and joy. He hated being called a little boy. He never liked teddies and he didn’t like cars, he loved trains, he loved Thomas…. I can’t describe how devastated I was. This person didn’t know him at all, knew nothing about him, but they’d taken it upon themselves to decorate his resting place as they saw fit.

This led to a confrontation the next day when she found me removing her rose bushes from the grave and shoving all her assorted crap in the bin. She then had the audacity to argue with me and tell me to my face that she was his sister, and who did I think I was, touching her brother’s grave…. I won’t go into all the details, but I’ve never been so angry in all my life. I’ve never shouted so much at anyone.

When people adopt these graves, I think they should be honest about why they’re doing it. It makes them feel better for ‘caring’ I guess when they feel no one else does, but they could be very wrong. These people have families who love them and cherish their memories still, not the invented ideal of them. They shouldn’t assume that because the grave is in a particular spot that the family didn’t give much thought to the location (my boy is an unusual spot, and that’s because my grandmother chose it, as she could see the hill she grew up on from there). I don’t get to visit as often as I want to, and his grave doesn’t have decorations or flowers because I can’t guarantee they’ll stay nice, and I’d hate them all to be surrounded by fading plastic. But there’s never a single minute of the day I’m not thinking about him. I want other people just to leave him alone with my grandparents, not take it upon themselves to interfere with his grave. His family is looking after him. He doesn’t need strangers to do it.

I am so sorry.

tripleginandtonic · 09/09/2025 11:29

Yabu in that other than making yourself feel better by tidying the site up nothing has changed.

WaryCrow · 09/09/2025 11:29

SirHumphreyRocks · 09/09/2025 11:12

Your middle section "outed" you to me.

My husband was First Nation as are our children.

Broken promises? How unusual.

Wasting my time no doubt, but please try to recognise that the first victims of the British elite are the people already here, impoverished again as they were before the wars, after enclosure.

tuvamoodyson · 09/09/2025 11:29

I say ‘our culture’ in the UK, where I assume the OP is talking about…I imagine they aren’t ’First Nation’ eg for example buried in a UK churchyard! 🙈 particularly from so many years ago. Calm down, nobody offended you, unless of course you choose to be…🤷🏼‍♀️

Mustbethat · 09/09/2025 11:29

KitchiBidziilViho · 09/09/2025 11:20

There's a surprising amount of us around.

I'm led to believe that the broken promises weren't unusual from those I've spoken to.

Certainly my Grandad and other members of my family were promised money and land if they came to fight and then it never came to fruition in the end.

US or Canada First Nations? To the uk? First or Second World War?

I’ve not heard of this and feel the need to educate myself. My son has moved to the US in an area where there seems to be mutual respect for the First Nation culture which I gather can be unusual.

KitchiBidziilViho · 09/09/2025 11:29

tuvamoodyson · 09/09/2025 11:24

But it is our culture…which is why it seems strange to US.

It may be YOUR culture (Im not sure what 'our' culture menas exactly), but this family could have an entirely different culture.

I'm explaining that it may not be sad at all, it may be exactly what the family wanted

SapphireSeptember · 09/09/2025 11:30

NightPuffins · 09/09/2025 10:35

I’m not at all religious but I’d like to think if god existed they would recognise a little baby (or indeed anyone) buried anywhere and love the baby’s spirit as much as anyone else buried within the churchyard. You’ve done a lovely thing in clearing the space and making it fresh.

My church believes all children are innocent until the 'age of accountability' when they know right from wrong. Usually at 8 years old (when children are baptised in my church.) Some people never reach that because of a learning disability. But those who die innocent go straight back to Heavenly Father.

smallpinecone · 09/09/2025 11:30

Remingtonsteele · 09/09/2025 11:29

I am so sorry.

Thank you so much, I appreciate that. I know I went on a bit, but hope you can see my point of view.

beAsensible1 · 09/09/2025 11:30

Mustbethat · 09/09/2025 10:26

What year was it? IIRC back in the day I think anyone not baptised technically couldn’t be buried in consecrated ground. People would either slip them in an existing grave, or they’d be buried outside the cemetery wall or in a far corner and hope no one said anything,

oh my heart, that so upsetting

WaryCrow · 09/09/2025 11:30

On the subject of the thread, that is lovely op. If only we had less misogyny and less male status to worry about everywhere.

reluctantbrit · 09/09/2025 11:32

Thank you for cleaning and adopting it.

The cemetery where my grandparents are buried has a row of baby graves from the 1920s and so many were left behind and overgrown, family members died, moved away and forgot about the baby which died in infancy.

Bundleflower · 09/09/2025 11:32

smallpinecone · 09/09/2025 11:30

Thank you so much, I appreciate that. I know I went on a bit, but hope you can see my point of view.

I’m so sorry to read your story. I can only imagine the rage you felt.

I do think this situation is quite different. The baby’s parents will have likely passed away long before now and the grave is clearly forgotten. I agree that doing this to a grave of somebody who has been buried recently is overstepping.

Samscaff · 09/09/2025 11:32

ConflictofInterest · 09/09/2025 11:19

I think it's quite judgemental to have decided people didn't care about that baby from your viewpoint so far in the future. I hope I don't have nosy volunteers judging our family graves. We have untended graves that we visit very occasionally, as in once every few decades, because the family have long since moved away. It doesn't mean those people weren't loved and aren't remembered. Nor does it really matter that nature has made her display of wildflowers, ivy and trees over their grave. That is the natural way. I would find it strange to find someone had cleared the nature away and laid flowers. Why do you keep mentioning the light and sun, I don't know why that's some sort of proof the family didn't care.Graves don't need sunlight. We visit the children's garden in one cemetery for a relatives child and it's a beautiful calm place of memory, the shade from all the trees doesn't effect that in any way. People tie ribbons and notes to the trees. Maybe the family chose a quiet leafy spot in the shade of beautiful trees where they could return to nature on purpose.

Exactly. Maybe I’m just a cynical grouch but I find the whole post rather performative. Who is OP to make judgements about where a family chose to bury their baby? And what difference does the amount of light in that spot make? I appreciate that OP means very well, but none of it will make the slightest difference to the poor baby.

tuvamoodyson · 09/09/2025 11:33

So if someone says ‘our culture’ you’re at a complete loss as to understand what someone might mean? Completely baffled? Right…🤔

Bollihobs · 09/09/2025 11:33

KitchiBidziilViho · 09/09/2025 10:50

In my culture we don't tend to graves, we let the earth do as she will. We also wouldn't baptise our children.

Not so much anymore as graveyards are so packed, but we would choose a corner away from everyone as well so nobody would be upset by the grave not being attended. We also have our own rituals, and laying flowers etc isn't one of them.

You may be feeling sad and attributing a backstory is for something that's simply part of a culture that's different to yours.

I don't tend to where my dc are laid to rest, and I don't lay flowers, but that's not to say they aren't loved and they are forgotten. We still honour our ancestors, including children who have died many years ago, well before my time.

I hope someone doesn't come along in a few years and think I simply didn't care about my own children. When I am long gone they will still be honoured.

This is a lovely post and makes such an important point that we should not judge what we don't actually know.

Whilst the OP's actions have been unfailingly kind the assumptions that no-one cared about this infant are pure speculation on her part. Saying that the "150 year old" trees are blocking the light.....well they would have only been 30 years old at the time and much smaller, time moves on! All of us can only act in the here and now!

Judging, especially completely assumed, actions of the past is totally unfair. I would rather think that the family of this LO did the very best they could and it's in no way my, or our place to judge them at all.

Remingtonsteele · 09/09/2025 11:33

smallpinecone · 09/09/2025 11:30

Thank you so much, I appreciate that. I know I went on a bit, but hope you can see my point of view.

I can.

I have moved from where my family members are buried and I don’t get to visit as often as I’d like.

I wouldn’t hang things on a grave but I have put a bunch of flowers in a plastic vase on a grave in remembrance of my family member who hasn’t got a grave as a body was never found (unknown soldier grave in a local cemetery) and I hope that wouldn’t have offended anyone.

Waterweight · 09/09/2025 11:34

That is sad but also a little dodgy - is it possible the grave was not authorised & the parents have buried it illegally?

Jaxtellersoldlady14 · 09/09/2025 11:34

Is this st. Thomas's church??