To be worried about the dark political direction of this country

[Krenonges]

Has anyone else seen the video doing the rounds of Farage being properly grilled in Congress? Honestly, it was the first time I’ve ever seen him held to account, unlike here, where the UK media give him endless airtime and barely challenge him.

They raised his 17 appearances on Russian state TV and his open admiration for Putin. Shocking, but not exactly surprising. Apparently he’s over in the US slagging off the UK, trying to cosy up to Trump, and giving speeches at far-right, anti-abortion events. Is this genuinely what he’s about now?

What I can’t wrap my head around is how he continues to poll so highly. Time and again he seems to act in ways that are completely at odds with the UK’s best interests, yet his supporters see him as some kind of saviour who’ll “stop the boats”. The irony being, of course, that the small boat crisis is a direct consequence of Brexit – the very thing he spent years pushing.

I know politics is never squeaky clean, but this feels different. It feels like there are darker, more insidious forces backing him, with the aim of undermining and dismantling the country bit by bit. It’s frightening to think how many people are still buying into the image he’s carefully crafted for himself, when the reality seems so much murkier.

All I ever hear from Reform voters when I challenge them is 'Yes, but Labour are crap' or 'You're just a leftie'. I'm not that left wing or even a Labour supporter, and i know Labour arent doing a good job right now. I just can't understand why people think Reform is the best alternative when Farage is clearly going to pimp the country out to his rich backers. The 'stop the boats' immigration debate is just the red herring, dog whistle policy that will get him votes.

And he’s planning to sell off the NHS.

Of course he is. There's even video footage of him talking about this but Reform voters only care about the boats

Its happened before and it'll happen again

Disconnected and disenfranchised voters will turn to those who hold the appearance of listening to their fears and opinions.

To the point the loud, self appointed righteous dont see it approaching and then you have an even greater us and them situation.

Take immigration.
Thats his biggest stick.

People were called racist, ignorant and a few other insults when trying to discuss tightening borders etc. Because of that those that were mildly inclined are now more radicalised.

At present Farage is the worst thing that could happen to us.
But because the right and 'left' have both had a turn and fucked it up so spectacularly hes now got a better chance.

You're right. There's so many to blame. Tories and Labour have made it easy for him really but where are some of the other parties? Why can't there be a figure who emerges as his political nemesis who will hold him to accountvand show him for what he is. They all just pander to him and ley him set the narrative

Every bit of what you said, but make it Starmer and co. Not a fan of Nigel whatsoever but he doesn’t give me the chills like they do.

Sorry what? I'm no Starmer fan but he's not expressed admiration for Putin or given speeches at anti-abortion rallies.

It's reassuring to see 80% think INBU so far. The way the media portray things at the moment suggests whole country loves Farage and Reform

Because you dont win by appealing to the minority.

Hes gone high, so how would they counter that?

What would their stance on immigration be? Because it couldn't be anything less than cutting it right down.

I find the Left quite sinister. Starmer presents like a bland bureaucrat, but I think he's selling the country out and despises ordinary people. I think he'd be very happy with authoritarianism for the country.

People were desperate and voted for brexit, Johnson and Labour and they've all been an utter failure. The same will happen with Farage unfortunately, but people are still desperate and clutching at straws.

I don't think immigration is the real issue though. It's just a red herring to mask the real causes of inequality (poor policy, tax evasion, wealth hoarding)

Sorry just to go back on this as another example.

Right up until the end MN as a collective whole heatedly, zero doubt believed Brecit wouldn't go through and anyone who disagreed was shot down.

They didnt believe the Tories would get in last time.

MN is good for many things. But politically its an echo chamber with very little to no actual discussion and should never been used as a measuring stick for the real world.

But it is a real issue because enough people believe it is a real issue.

In what way?

Because they're told to by press and social media

This. Its obvious how this has happened.

The why doesn't matter.

Immigration is a hot voting topic. And so if you want to win it you have to be about it.

It’s the same shtick as brexit.

Before it was “you know why there is an affordable housing shortage, long waiting lists in the NHS and you can’t get a job? It’s all these Polish and Eastern Europeans. We need to vote for Brexit and everything will be better”

People voted Brexit and nothing changed so now it’s “see all the problems you have - it’s the people coming over in boats” …

And the country will fall for it yet again.

This. He’s heavily in with the WEF, loathes our country and has allegiances elsewhere. He wants us to own nothing, aspire to nothing and say nothing. There’s an enormous levelling down going on in this country that we will not be able to bounce back from.

Yes it's Brexit 2.0 but why has no one noticed that Brexit has been a disaster and still listening to Farage?? He caused the Brexit mess yet they still look to him for more answers

For some there isn't any noticeable real life impact of Brexit. And so they can't link the two.

He's dangerous. Digital ID is going to be an Orwellian shit show, but people don't understand how it's going to work, so are oblivious to what's round the corner. You only value your freedom once you've lost it. The government needs everyone to be demoralised and preferably poor so they'll be happy with the few crumbs they'll be thrown.

Honestly OP, at a basic level this is simple.

People's view is something like this:
Tories are shit and don't listen to us.
Labour are shit and don't listen to us and despise us.
None of them have done fuck all in years.

If I vote Reform, there is some small chance they will be differernt.
More likely they will also be shit but it might be a wake up call to the other parties.
And at the least it is a major FU to the tossers who don't listen.

Yep. Never fails to astonish me quite how gullible the great British public is. My one conciliation is that now all of those white immigrants have been forced out by Brexit, they have been replaced by brown skinned people.
The exact thing that most Brexit voters didn’t want. Good. Idiots.

The main purpose of movement of labour is to suppress wages, and also to avoid having to invest in training. It's the same principle as moving jobs to places like China, if you flood the workforce wages stagnate.

Plus it puts major pressure on infrastructure, which the state is already struggling to maintain, much less increase.

The left knew this until 5 minutes ago which is why they didn't support mass immigration.

It's not a shocker that now that the left has abandoned that kind of approach and favours policy that appeals to the middle classes, they have lost support of wc communities.

He cares for nobody but himself. How easy it has been for him to dupe the working classes. That is what is so terrifying. Look at Trump's America where working people have voted for him and now have no Medicare. What did they think would happen? They were told this. We are heading in the same direction. He has said that he wants to essentially scrap the NHS. It's terrifying how gullible people are and how the same old scapegoats ( foreigners) can be so easily used as a distraction tactic.