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To be worried about the dark political direction of this country

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Krenonges · 06/09/2025 00:05

Has anyone else seen the video doing the rounds of Farage being properly grilled in Congress? Honestly, it was the first time I’ve ever seen him held to account, unlike here, where the UK media give him endless airtime and barely challenge him.

They raised his 17 appearances on Russian state TV and his open admiration for Putin. Shocking, but not exactly surprising. Apparently he’s over in the US slagging off the UK, trying to cosy up to Trump, and giving speeches at far-right, anti-abortion events. Is this genuinely what he’s about now?

What I can’t wrap my head around is how he continues to poll so highly. Time and again he seems to act in ways that are completely at odds with the UK’s best interests, yet his supporters see him as some kind of saviour who’ll “stop the boats”. The irony being, of course, that the small boat crisis is a direct consequence of Brexit – the very thing he spent years pushing.

I know politics is never squeaky clean, but this feels different. It feels like there are darker, more insidious forces backing him, with the aim of undermining and dismantling the country bit by bit. It’s frightening to think how many people are still buying into the image he’s carefully crafted for himself, when the reality seems so much murkier.

All I ever hear from Reform voters when I challenge them is 'Yes, but Labour are crap' or 'You're just a leftie'. I'm not that left wing or even a Labour supporter, and i know Labour arent doing a good job right now. I just can't understand why people think Reform is the best alternative when Farage is clearly going to pimp the country out to his rich backers. The 'stop the boats' immigration debate is just the red herring, dog whistle policy that will get him votes.

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elprup · 07/09/2025 06:15

Also, the mainstream parties could stop Farage in his tracks overnight if they took people’s concerns seriously and cracked down on immigration. So why don’t they?

LovelySunnyDayToday · 07/09/2025 06:40

His supporters are not the most intelligent let’s face it op.
Yes I saw the grilling. It was fabulous!
Shame on our media for not taking him to task in this manner!

LovelySunnyDayToday · 07/09/2025 06:41

elprup · 07/09/2025 06:15

Also, the mainstream parties could stop Farage in his tracks overnight if they took people’s concerns seriously and cracked down on immigration. So why don’t they?

It’s all Kier keeps banging on about!

Sentientbean · 07/09/2025 06:43

worrying that Reform might repeal the UK’s gun laws. Would hope that the system would prevent that from happening.

LovelySunnyDayToday · 07/09/2025 06:45

TruckDiver · 07/09/2025 00:22

I'm personally getting a bit tired of hearing about the noble British public just wanting a fair go and being screwed over by politicians who won't give them one.

We have shite public services, a failing health system, stagnating wages, a housing crisis and a cost of living crisis because people have consistently voted for parties with policies that made those outcomes inevitable - from the sell-off of council housing under Thatcher to austerity under Cameron to Brexit under Johnson, punctuated by "Labour" governments under Blair and Starmer who could only get elected once they convinced the public they had divested themselves of any remotely ambitious intentions to properly restructure the economy in favour of working people. And because of massively increasing inequality and concentration of asset ownership, that people are too stupid to see right in front of their faces because it isn't in the Sun and it's easier to blame brown people.

Politicians don't tell us the truth - that we're experiencing the death throes of hyper-globalised capitalism and related climate meltdown that cannot possibly be addressed while maintaining our addiction to growth - because they know damn well there's no way on Earth they'll be elected if they do. The truth is that we as a whole need to get either poorer or burn, and that means either the rich need to get a LOT less rich, or the poor need to actually starve.

The economic illiteracy surrounding the immigration debate is incredibly frustrating to those with an ounce of critical thinking ability. What is certain is that falling living standards for the majority and rising inequality are rooted in factors much deeper and more varied than just immigration. So even if stopping the boats does benefit the economy (and I don't believe it will), it won't be by much. And while we have a government in charge that is dedicated to facilitating neoliberalism in service to the 1% - whether Labour, Conservative or Reform - you can be certain that any such benefit won't be felt by ordinary people anyway but will be syphoned upwards to the super rich as it always is.

The fact that anybody thinks multi-millionaire tax-slashing NHS selling Farage is going to change any of that is really a shining monument to human stupidity.

Completely agree @TruckDiver

LambriniBobInIsleworthISeesYa · 07/09/2025 07:06

Agreed @Krenonges- something is rotten in the state of Britain right now, to paraphrase Big Willy.

It’s starting to feel actually, genuinely a bit scary. The flags in particular feel a bit intimating. We were driving from Bexley to Essex under the Dartford Tunnel yesterday and on a foot bridge across the A2 there was a huge, printed tarpaulin that said “England is broken: stop the boats” and a group of about 20 men shouting and jeering whilst waving England flags. I genuinely thought that they were about to start throwing stuff and was waiting for the crack in the windscreen. I mean, what’s all that about?!

Farage has got a lot to answer for and whilst I’m not prone to hyperbole, I’m genuinely really scared about a) what might happen here in terms of riots and people getting killed and b) Farage somehow getting in as Prime Minister in 2028 and the country then veering ever further to the Right with abortion being banned and healthcare being charged when you use it rather than via tax and free at the point of use.

It all feels really fucked.

elprup · 07/09/2025 08:30

LovelySunnyDayToday · 07/09/2025 06:41

It’s all Kier keeps banging on about!

Yes, but his words ring hollow when people see stories like these:

www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyqze17q9do.amp

Goldenbear · 07/09/2025 09:12

TempestTost · 06/09/2025 22:06

Who would they tax more? The wealthy - and you don't need to be very wealthy to qualify - are already losing more than half of what they make. Some are already talking about leaving, others are cutting back on work because it doesn't improve their bottom line.

The poor? Clearly not.

The middle income working and middle classes? This is what the Nordic countries do, tax these people at a higher rate - how do you see that going over?

The mega rich are effectivly international citizens and aren't easily taxable.

Do you not think the mega rich live in the Nordic countries then?

Barbadossunset · 07/09/2025 09:14

Do you not think the mega rich live in the Nordic countries then?

I’m sure they do, but iirc many the Rausing family are based in UK.

BlueJuniper94 · 07/09/2025 09:14

MrsSkylerWhite · 06/09/2025 12:59

“They”?
This othering is an huge part of the problem. They are human beings. I’ve no idea of your religion. I’m an atheist, think it’s all man made nonsense. I don’ t hate anyone because they believe in a god, though.

But you do hate and other people their beliefs.

Wonderwendy · 07/09/2025 09:21

BlueJuniper94 · 07/09/2025 09:14

But you do hate and other people their beliefs.

What does this mean?

cardibach · 07/09/2025 09:23

elprup · 07/09/2025 08:30

Yes, but his words ring hollow when people see stories like these:

www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyqze17q9do.amp

What about data like this?

To be worried about the dark political direction of this country
Goldenbear · 07/09/2025 09:24

Barbadossunset · 07/09/2025 09:14

Do you not think the mega rich live in the Nordic countries then?

I’m sure they do, but iirc many the Rausing family are based in UK.

Well Nordic countries aren't one country, they have different tax systems and there are definitely billionaires in Denmark but it's not the kind of culture where this is shouted about.

Arafina · 07/09/2025 09:29

elprup · 07/09/2025 06:15

Also, the mainstream parties could stop Farage in his tracks overnight if they took people’s concerns seriously and cracked down on immigration. So why don’t they?

And once immigration has been seriously cracked down on what next? If that happened how would our lives improve? Everyone banging on about immigration is forcing the Government to focus on what's really a minor issue instead of doing their bloody jobs

TruckDiver · 07/09/2025 09:48

LovelySunnyDayToday · 07/09/2025 06:41

It’s all Kier keeps banging on about!

And net immigration has reduced by 50% on the previous year, which nobody seems to have noticed or consider relevant.

TruckDiver · 07/09/2025 10:03

Shellyash · 07/09/2025 05:54

Embarrassing 😳.

That may well be your opinion, my point was simply that anyone who has proven capable in the past of getting 40% of the popular vote can't possibly be written off as "not a serious contender". Not that anyone's seriously thinking Your Party will form the next government, but there is every chance it will gain a sufficient number of seats to make a difference, as one way or another it looks like a minority government is a high possibility.

And apropros the subject of this thread: there will soon be a party to vote for that states outright the facts that immigration is beneficial to the economy; that irregular small boat arrivals are a tiny fraction of total immigration; that immigrants are humans who deserve the same respect, dignity and right to get on and contribute to society as anyone else; and that there are good reasons why we are signatories to the various refugee and human rights conventions. All the things that the Labour party should be saying.

BlueJuniper94 · 07/09/2025 11:16

Wonderwendy · 07/09/2025 09:21

What does this mean?

Mistyped. Was supposed to say that this poster did hate others for their beliefs, as in, this poster also 'others'. I also don't really think "they" is othering language. It's just a word for any group of people. Talking to a friend about thier family I would refer to them as 'they'. "Do they live in London too?"

BlueJuniper94 · 07/09/2025 11:20

TruckDiver · 07/09/2025 10:03

That may well be your opinion, my point was simply that anyone who has proven capable in the past of getting 40% of the popular vote can't possibly be written off as "not a serious contender". Not that anyone's seriously thinking Your Party will form the next government, but there is every chance it will gain a sufficient number of seats to make a difference, as one way or another it looks like a minority government is a high possibility.

And apropros the subject of this thread: there will soon be a party to vote for that states outright the facts that immigration is beneficial to the economy; that irregular small boat arrivals are a tiny fraction of total immigration; that immigrants are humans who deserve the same respect, dignity and right to get on and contribute to society as anyone else; and that there are good reasons why we are signatories to the various refugee and human rights conventions. All the things that the Labour party should be saying.

They're not saying it because it they think it would be political suicide

Jumpingthruhoops · 07/09/2025 18:23

Shellyash · 07/09/2025 05:54

Embarrassing 😳.

Rather than just saying 'embarrassing' can you maybe try and hazard a guess as to why almost HALF of the UK's entire population - some 68 million - voted for him? That's an awful lot of 'racists' 🤔

Shellyash · 07/09/2025 19:19

I never mentioned that he's racist, anti semitic absolutely 100%, and in 2019 he got 10m votes, so numbers a bit awry he's an extreme left total fool which is why it's embarrassing that this many brits voted for him.

MrsSkylerWhite · 08/09/2025 13:54

dottiehens · 06/09/2025 14:43

Naïveté as its best here. Have you realised that some religions are just a cover for cultural identity? Some are too incompatible with western culture values and society. Ignore at your own peril.

I’ve had the same approach all of my life. 61, now, living in a multicultural city, I’m in no “peril”, thank you 😁

MrsSkylerWhite · 08/09/2025 13:57

BlueJuniper94 · 07/09/2025 09:14

But you do hate and other people their beliefs.

?

No I don’t. I don’t understand some people’s beliefs but that doesn’t mean I hate them.

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