To be worried about the dark political direction of this country

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Has anyone else seen the video doing the rounds of Farage being properly grilled in Congress? Honestly, it was the first time I’ve ever seen him held to account, unlike here, where the UK media give him endless airtime and barely challenge him.

They raised his 17 appearances on Russian state TV and his open admiration for Putin. Shocking, but not exactly surprising. Apparently he’s over in the US slagging off the UK, trying to cosy up to Trump, and giving speeches at far-right, anti-abortion events. Is this genuinely what he’s about now?

What I can’t wrap my head around is how he continues to poll so highly. Time and again he seems to act in ways that are completely at odds with the UK’s best interests, yet his supporters see him as some kind of saviour who’ll “stop the boats”. The irony being, of course, that the small boat crisis is a direct consequence of Brexit – the very thing he spent years pushing.

I know politics is never squeaky clean, but this feels different. It feels like there are darker, more insidious forces backing him, with the aim of undermining and dismantling the country bit by bit. It’s frightening to think how many people are still buying into the image he’s carefully crafted for himself, when the reality seems so much murkier.

All I ever hear from Reform voters when I challenge them is 'Yes, but Labour are crap' or 'You're just a leftie'. I'm not that left wing or even a Labour supporter, and i know Labour arent doing a good job right now. I just can't understand why people think Reform is the best alternative when Farage is clearly going to pimp the country out to his rich backers. The 'stop the boats' immigration debate is just the red herring, dog whistle policy that will get him votes.

Russia and China are actively working to destabilise the west, every way they can however, Im sure there are lots of people on their payroll. I'm far more worried about the rise of extreme Islam.

We have weekly marches with people spewing out hatred of Jews and calling for the destruction of the only democratic state in the Middle East, and in support of an extreme jihadist terror group.

I'll take Farage over an Islamic republic any day

I completely agree with @Dinosaurshoebox
People feel like there’s no where else to go politically because they’ve been let down so spectacularly by the other major parties. If there was an election tomorrow I have no idea how I would vote. The next few years will be very interesting / scary!

Do you honestly believe that the UK is about to become an Islamic republic? Based upon what? The Muslim population represents around 6% of the population. How will 6% seize power, exactly?

@MargaretThursday but Im not sure the majority of the voting public want honesty

You believe the British government is facilitating small boat crossings 😳

All the people who say immigration isn’t the issue arent experiencing the effects.

I don't think that's true, I see legal immigration as a sticking plaster to our low growth. I don't dispute illegal migration isn't a problem, I just don't think it's an easy thing to stop.

He cannot do this. He has no love for Britain and can give none.

How on earth can you make such an assertion? Do you know him, personally?

After his performance at the congressional committee last week, would you not agree that it’s Farage who has no love for this nation? He’s clearly out to make a buck however he can. If that means denigrating the UK, so be it, apparently.

You are of course free to make sweeping generalisations without backing them up, but Hitchens' Razor applies.

@DawnDutchThey get dissent and turmoil in the country, harder for the government to manage, less money to spend on NATO, less say in the EU and harder to take a stand against Russia. He takes us out of the ECHR, we get fewer rights. He’s openly said that he thinks Putin is one of the greatest leaders in the world.

People are feeling financially squeezed and the rhetoric is that others are being handed things on a plate. Even those who may be more comfortably off are feeling the pressure that the increased population is putting on services such as schools, GPs etc.

We are squeezed because we didn't recover from the 08 crash & services haven't been invested in. We have an ageing population which also impacts population growth & pressure on services. In many parts of the country schools are merging or closing because birth rates are so low.

Trump has allowed America to hate again. Reform is allowing Britain to do the same. People are more open about their views on "the immigrants" and the imaginary issues they are bringing (with maybe a couple of legit ones thrown in.)
My neighbour has his flag proudly displayed in the front window claiming to be patriotic and keeps spouting nonsense about "protecting women and girls" when he's had police involvement because he's battered his own missus 3 times this year and she's too scared to leave. The real danger is HIM. But you can't argue with a coke head who sees his own girlfriend and daughters as second class citizens and believes everything he sees on tik tok and Facebook while thinking Tommy Robinson should be the next PM. 🙄

I agree that this is the reason. However the mainstream media are in many cases pushing the idea that it’s due to immigration and Farage is tapping into that knowing that people are frustrated and will listen.

The system we have was always going to come under pressure. Look at other countries where similar is happening politically. It was set up decades ago and won’t survive.

One concerning side effect is the sleepwalking into digital ID and further control by the gov.

100% this. Starmer loathes our country OP - he's literally driving people towards Farage & co. To be honest it's starting to look like deliberate self-sabotage!

But wanting to piss off Labour voters doesn't seem like a great reason to vote for someone does it? Why don't you vote for a party that offers you a better life rather than just to stick it to other people??

Why isn't it headline news if he's a Russian asset??

The new party on the left hasn't elected a leader yet, and I suspect that Corbyn, now in his mid-late 70's, won't be the leader. They will surely want someone younger, won't they?

Probably because it’s the mn usual

What party would that be? All the smaller parties who hate women?

Oh another reform bashing thread

the biggest threat to this country has been and continues to be the woke leftist nonsense. It’s this that will be the countries downfall, along with socialism and militant Islamism

I completely give up on the voting population of this country

Same. So many people that have no critical thinking

Hysterical!

So you think that Garage who has attended anti abortion rallies DOESNT hate women? They'd be taking women's rights back 50 years. Do you really think maternity rights, abortion rights would do well under Reform? If so why?