men on mumsnet

[LittleMi55Nobody]

ladies..just wondering..are you fed up of men posting on mumsnet..why don't they start their own "dadsnet/mansnet" group..im getting fed up of obvious "male" comments undermining our woman issues....quite honestly id like them to fuck off cos im not interested in their opinons on womanship

Why would me discounting your opinion because you're a man 'do nothing' for the female sex? I can see that having your opinion discounted because you're a man may do nothing to further things for your sex. But how does asking you to hush up a little so women's voices can be heard do nothing for mine?

I kind of think that mumsnet is a women's place

Mums, grandmums, non mums

But women

Its not a problem with men joining i suppose but I always feel a bit 😒😒 dunno why

I guess its because many of the problems on mn and especially aibu are caused by that gender 🤷🏽‍♀️

Actually I think discounting male voices does wonders for the female sex. Men dominate almost everything, I feel more than fine about prioritising women in this one forum. What you mean is that it doesn't benefit men, and I don't particularly care about that.

"A a man,,,,," with a different perspective which is just as valid perhaps?

I am open to an alternative viewpoint. I am interested in seeing how my views are perceived by others. It allows me to consider an alternative and helps me gauge if I can stand by my argument or if I will explore issues a bit more.

If we can consider the views of fellow females, why not from a male?

Why feel annoyed by it? Why deem it as them throwing authority about?

I say this as someone who is always curious about another perspective, and I'm happy to talk about it and consider it. I have never felt defensive about it, criticised by it, as it allows me to question my own viewpoint more and can even make my case stronger, as I can show I have considered, questioned and understood alternatives rather than being dismissive of another viewpoint.

Yes. I'm hoping pp will explain his thinking that a place where women's opinions are prioritised does 'nothing for either sex'. Because I'm genuinely struggling to see how women talking to each other without men being part of the discussion is a disadvantage to women.

You're both putting words into my posts that aren't there.

I said it does nothing for either sex. By diminishing a man's perspective, (soley based on their sex), you're not allowing any other opinion into the discussion, one that is usually being directly directed towards a man. I'm not here to defend men; I don't care all that much, but a lot of what I read here is taken out of context, or just made up, and there are literally thousands of posts that descend into LTB, My favourites are the ones that is the very very first post.

And how does allowing other (male) opinions into the discussion "do anything" for women?
How many threads do you really see directed towards men? About men, sure. But it's not the same thing.
And why can't women say LTB? Why do we need a man to weigh in on that?

Yes, you said it does nothing for either sex. I agree with you entirely that it does nothing for the male sex to have their opinions discounted. I'm asking you to explain why it does nothing for the female sex to discount a male opinion when they want to hear female ones.
And why does discounting a male persons opinion in your mind equate to 'not allowing other opinions into the discussion'? There are countless women on this site, all with opinions. What specifically do you think women are missing out on by discounting opinions of men? Generally speaking if OPs want 'a male perspective' on their relationship issue, they tend to say so, and that's your cue.

When I post anything the slightest bit controversial I get a mixture of responses, some applauding me and some strongly disagreeing. I find it hard to believe that the same view gets an entirely positive response under one user name and an entirely negative response under another. I do think though that some comments are particularly annoying to women when voiced by men.

Sometimes a man's opinion IS irrelevant. And here, as everywhere, men cannot stand that.

I don't think I've ever commented on a post to someone who has said If you're a man, don't reply. I only bring to the front times when people discount an opinion based on the fact that they don't want it, because it's from a man, or they assume it's a man because it doesn't align with them.

'And why does discounting a male persons opinion in your mind equate to 'not allowing other opinions into the discussion' - because its been discounted? Like I say, I really don't care if you disagree with what I say, argue back or call me out, but if the only thing that can be offered as support is because you're a man, it doesn't hold water.

'What specifically do you think women are missing out on by discounting opinions of men?' - I dont put my posts forward thinking, well, that's that cleared up as I'm a man. I offer a small voice; I'd say the same to a man or woman. I deal with 80% women in my work, can you imagine what would be said if I said, Actually, Brenda, I don't want to hear that because you're a woman and this is a man's issue.

Anyway, in the words of Glen Cullan, I'm irrevlant, I'm irrevlant.

Yet here you are, on a thread which the OP specifically addressed to "ladies..." and asked what women think about men on MN. What about this thread made you think your male opinion as to why you want to be here was relevent to women's views on whether they want you here?

Are you saying that making an offensive, sweeping generalisation about a sex is wrong? I absolutely agree. Which is, if you read the context of the thread, the entire point of why I posted what I posted.

Ooh, condescension! How clever!

Are you a lady? No. So the question wasn't for you. Why do men find that so hard?