men on mumsnet

[LittleMi55Nobody]

ladies..just wondering..are you fed up of men posting on mumsnet..why don't they start their own "dadsnet/mansnet" group..im getting fed up of obvious "male" comments undermining our woman issues....quite honestly id like them to fuck off cos im not interested in their opinons on womanship

So then it's not just men but childless women who should be banned...

It's called mumsnet because it was started by two mums who worked from their kitchen tables 25 years ago, sockpuppeting like fuck all hours of the day.

Its changed since then.

If the owners of the site say its for everyone then who has the right to say it's not?

Its their site. They started it. They own it. They say everyone is welcome.
Except trolls and twats, obviously.

Things change. They respond to demand. They evolve.

Samsung started as a grocery trading company as an example

If you read the exchange preceeding the post you quoted, the answer to that should be clear.

so you want a proof that a woman has given birth / adopted a child to be allowed on the forum? Ok then

tell that to MNHQ and let us know how it goes

Nothing to do with being "fair" or the "poor men"

It's simply a public forum, where PEOPLE can post. There's nothing to gain from banning half the population, and even less to gain in pretending parenting forum are not the place for men.

If you want a "woman only space", create one? No one is stopping you from starting your own forum. If you believe so many posters would agree with you, your site will be successful from the start surely?

Agreed.

When I go into forums that are predominantly men, I take a bit of care not to state that I'm a woman. I have found that this is fairly common in women, particularly after you've been 'online' for a while - nichey ones for music, comedy, cars, etc can often be pretty sexist. It's just not worth the shit you have to deal with.

I'm not 'posing as a man' but I'm not saying either way, and with men being the default human in most of our society (and women as these curious 'others') it's often assumed.

Many seem to totally miss the point or think their opinion gives us deep insight into ‘what men think’. I find it irritating

@Rickyrainfrogcroaks

Mums are the intended audience. But there's a BIG difference between saying something is for a particular audience/demographic and saying that ONLY people in that demographic can partake of it.

Think of it this way. Children's books are called children's books because the intended audience is children. But no one has ever said that adults can't also read children's books. Many adults do. (I am one of them.)

It's the same with the Mumsnet. The site started out being aimed, primarily, at women, and largely still is, but that doesn't mean that men cannot/should not post here. Nothing in the rules says that it's a female-only space.

if you go by the name, then, as a female myself, I'm not a part of the intended demographic of this site, as I'm not a mother.

Most of the boards are nothing to do with being a parent or a woman. I think everyone should be welcome here.

@QueenClinomania

"Btw - and you may want to sit down for this - there are loads of posters who aren't even parents at all!!!"

Yep, I'm one of them. No children and no intention of having them.

Horror of all horrors, I also sometimes buy books (for myself) from the 'children's' section of the bookshop!

@Oblahdeeoblahdoe

This statement implies that you think the website is also intended to be for Mums only.

I'm female, but not a Mum, and I don't plan to be one. Do you think this invalidates my presence here?

A ship full of women

The seeming consensus is Men = Bad, Women = Good.

You should be fine.

This is the internet. anyone and everyone can post

In most areas of the Internet I do try and adopt a persona with no direct reference to what my sex might be. It's easier

Do you honestly think men never get bullied in the workplace? Blimey.

I mean that was literally my point ... calling out the PP who had implied they didn't

"Thought crimes" as in whatever it is you think is so telling about my alleged views of women but that you remain strangely unable to back up with evidence, let alone context.

Unless maybe you're trying to insinuate that me occasionally disagreeing with a given woman is evidence that I have a problem with women as a class, rather than just because I happen to disagree with one individual.

So you're going with "didn't mean it like that", solid, but predictable, choice.

Advance search your own name. The way you speak to women is very telling.

Ah - apologies, I misread your post.

That's probably because there isn't much discussion on Dadsnet, and sometimes men want a woman's opinion on something. I personally like to hear a man's point of view on some things, particularly on why a man may be behaving the way he is.

The only person who can tell you why a man is behaving the way he is is the man himself, surely? How can some random man on MN give you a reliable insight into the thoughts of another man who may be different from him in every way, age, social background, life experience?
What this tends to look like in reality is a man coming on to defend other men. To explain how difficult things are for men, and that the problems another man is causing a woman are actually the fault of the woman herself. The 'male perspective' is almost always this.

Uh-huh. Come back to me when you can actually be specific in your criticisms rather than vague accusations.

I know you're on here because you expect women to do your emotional labour for you, but I would have thought you could search your own name, bless your cotton socks.

If you click the bit that says search on the bar underneath, then click on advance search, add your name, and then under the key words type in anything that could bring up misogynistic or derogetory behaviour on your part.

HTH.