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To think Farage surely has to go

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OneKookyShark · 05/09/2025 13:50

So Farage has some dodgy private company set up to avoid paying tax. Is he being pressured to resign as head of Reform? Of course not. Because he’s an entitled privileged man.

The double standards are incredible really. Here’s the story https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/05/nigel-farage-uses-private-company-to-pay-less-tax-on-gb-news-earnings

While I think Rayner had to resign, why are the same standards not being applied?

Nigel Farage uses private company to pay less tax on GB News earnings

Exclusive: Reform leader’s use of personal services firm is a practice criticised across the political spectrum

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/05/nigel-farage-uses-private-company-to-pay-less-tax-on-gb-news-earnings

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TopPocketFind · 05/09/2025 17:05

HerewardtheSleepy · 05/09/2025 17:02

Or is it because 90% plus, of all freelance and self-employed people do exactly the same?

Like this?

To think Farage surely has to go
Skipthisbit · 05/09/2025 17:06

Goldenbear · 05/09/2025 17:03

And- what are you umming about?

That as much as I hope and pray you are right regarding Reforms election prospects, as less than 50% of the population are net contributors so they aren’t the biggest voting block!!

Serpentstooth · 05/09/2025 17:06

Ov course he's got a tax avoidance scheme, why wouldn't he have? He doesn't believe in State support for anything. Maybe roads maintenance, so he can get around without potholes? Otherwise taxes pay benefit scroungers and other lazy buggers. Shame so many of his supporters are claiming. If the horrible vision of him as PM happened, they'll be just as surprised as they are by the tax scheme when their benefits disappear 'I thought he meant immigrants, not me' FAFO as they like to say in USA.

PhuckTrump · 05/09/2025 17:07

Skipthisbit · 05/09/2025 17:03

You misunderstand me (or I didn’t explain well enough!)
The poster I was responding to was saying that Reform would not be able to win the next GE as we have a party based system and they wouldn’t be able to put forward enough candidates to achieve this. I was pointing out that with the Tories dead in the water, it is entirely possible that Tory MPs both current and those who lost their seats may well decide to join Reform. Farage doesn’t need to find 100’s of new people to run as MPs …. He just needs to ‘repurpose’ ex Tory ones who may see this as a way back in.

Ann Widdecombe?

Brunettesmorefun · 05/09/2025 17:07

OneKookyShark · 05/09/2025 13:56

Rubbish. He’s avoiding tax. She made a stupid mistake. Both in public life but massive levels of hypocrisy. He’s the leader of a political party lecturing everyone else on how they should live while taking the piss.

All politicians should live by the same standards. We are paying their bloody salaries.

She didn’t make a stupid mistake. She was advised to take legal advice and made the decision not to.

TopPocketFind · 05/09/2025 17:09

Brunettesmorefun · 05/09/2025 17:07

She didn’t make a stupid mistake. She was advised to take legal advice and made the decision not to.

Ofcourse she should have taken legal advice but you cannot deny that the knives were out for her from the very beginning.

Brunettesmorefun · 05/09/2025 17:15

TopPocketFind · 05/09/2025 17:09

Ofcourse she should have taken legal advice but you cannot deny that the knives were out for her from the very beginning.

I don’t think so. I have heard that she was popular within the Labour Party. Personally I am glad I don’t have to hear her going on about coming from a working class background, pregnant at 16 etc. It became very tiresome.

BallerinaRadio · 05/09/2025 17:16

HRTQueen · 05/09/2025 16:43

keep telling yourself that ... most of us are not so easily fooled

Most would also follow advice from a legal team to gain further expert advice, twice

Lucky she has gone, given that she makes such mistakes. And people were hoping for her to be the next PM 🙄- the left in the labour party never fail to shoot themselves in the foot and damage the party

Have you read the actual report from the independent advisor?

HellsBalls · 05/09/2025 17:17

@OneKookyShark “Do you know what though, I have sympathy for Rayner because she made a stupid mistake and was trying to do right by her disabled child.”

Was she bollocks. Tax evasion.

HRTQueen · 05/09/2025 17:17

BallerinaRadio · 05/09/2025 17:16

Have you read the actual report from the independent advisor?

yes

have you?

BIossomtoes · 05/09/2025 17:18

Goldenbear · 05/09/2025 16:54

Can't believe I just used that term,😱

Nor can I! It’s one of my pettest hates.

Goldenbear · 05/09/2025 17:21

Skipthisbit · 05/09/2025 17:06

That as much as I hope and pray you are right regarding Reforms election prospects, as less than 50% of the population are net contributors so they aren’t the biggest voting block!!

That sentence appeared aggressive but it wasn't supposed to be.

Serpentstooth · 05/09/2025 17:23

I'm afraid it's true about repurposing useless Tories, missing their expenses and 'miserable' salaries. The appalling - Boris should have given me a peerage, he knows how much I loved him -Nadine Dorries has signed up today. Reform will snatch up ex Tories as candidates as they don't have enough suitable applicants, as seen in their fumbling in local councils. Someone should run a book on most likely applicants but I expect Nige is already sorting thst out.

Q2C4 · 05/09/2025 17:23

OneKookyShark · 05/09/2025 14:12

Yes. She was a working class woman from a council estate. The right wing media wanted her to stay in her lane - she didn’t come from privilege.

I admired her- I hope she will be back at some point.

Farage can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.

I do feel a little sorry for AR because, according to the Ethics Adviser’s letter, her advisers told her the higher rate tax didn't apply, but caveats this by saying they weren't tax advisers, and they recommended she obtain specific tax advice. She didn't.
While i can imagine a lot of people would be willing to just chance it and hope they’d be ok, that was a grave error of judgment for the Deputy PM (and Housing Minister) to make.

What makes it worse is that last year there was a furore over her tax affairs regarding the 2015 sale of her council house (when again she failed to take formal tax advice on a tax free gain of £48k). You’d have thought she’d have learnt from that and done everything possible to ensure her flat purchase was above board.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68885428.amp

At best both cases call into question her thoroughness & attention to detail.

But I do think her legal advisers were irresponsible in expressing a view and then caveating it away - they should just have advised her to take specialist advice.

Angela Rayner

A simple guide to the Angela Rayner house row - BBC News

Labour's deputy leader has been embroiled in a row over her living arrangements before she was an MP.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68885428.amp

BallerinaRadio · 05/09/2025 17:24

HRTQueen · 05/09/2025 17:17

yes

have you?

Yes I was struck by the multiple mentions of how she acted with integrity and transparency throughout. It didn't speak of a con artist lying through their teeth for financial gain.

EasternStandard · 05/09/2025 17:25

Q2C4 · 05/09/2025 17:23

I do feel a little sorry for AR because, according to the Ethics Adviser’s letter, her advisers told her the higher rate tax didn't apply, but caveats this by saying they weren't tax advisers, and they recommended she obtain specific tax advice. She didn't.
While i can imagine a lot of people would be willing to just chance it and hope they’d be ok, that was a grave error of judgment for the Deputy PM (and Housing Minister) to make.

What makes it worse is that last year there was a furore over her tax affairs regarding the 2015 sale of her council house (when again she failed to take formal tax advice on a tax free gain of £48k). You’d have thought she’d have learnt from that and done everything possible to ensure her flat purchase was above board.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68885428.amp

At best both cases call into question her thoroughness & attention to detail.

But I do think her legal advisers were irresponsible in expressing a view and then caveating it away - they should just have advised her to take specialist advice.

It’s not in their remit, they were not irresponsible. No MP could use the bad advice line as the defence anymore.

Goldenbear · 05/09/2025 17:25

BIossomtoes · 05/09/2025 17:18

Nor can I! It’s one of my pettest hates.

In my defence, I was using the lingo to make sure I integrated properly 😬

TopPocketFind · 05/09/2025 17:27

Brunettesmorefun · 05/09/2025 17:15

I don’t think so. I have heard that she was popular within the Labour Party. Personally I am glad I don’t have to hear her going on about coming from a working class background, pregnant at 16 etc. It became very tiresome.

Tiresome for you

Inspirational to many

A single mum from a council estate becoming deputy prime minister

BIossomtoes · 05/09/2025 17:27

Skipthisbit · 05/09/2025 17:06

That as much as I hope and pray you are right regarding Reforms election prospects, as less than 50% of the population are net contributors so they aren’t the biggest voting block!!

There are lots of people like me who were net contributors for years but lost that status when we claimed the state pension. Comfortably off currently and just as affected by the state of the economy as when we were working, if not more so. No pensioner with their life savings in investments and their pensions dependent on a healthy economy is going to fall for Reform’s unicorn economics.

Menopausalsourpuss · 05/09/2025 17:27

As posters have pointed out evasion is illegal, avoidance isn't. Buying an ISA is a good example of avoidance which loads of people do and given how our taxes are wasted I don't blame anyone. And really fed up with people going on about AR being working class - she is a thick spiteful grifter like most of Labour who has got any money she has from the taxpayer and is not at all representative of the hard working, intelligent working class. And usually MN types despise the wc and call them thick racist bigots when the discussion is about issues like Brexit.

Bumblebee72 · 05/09/2025 17:30

Menopausalsourpuss · 05/09/2025 17:27

As posters have pointed out evasion is illegal, avoidance isn't. Buying an ISA is a good example of avoidance which loads of people do and given how our taxes are wasted I don't blame anyone. And really fed up with people going on about AR being working class - she is a thick spiteful grifter like most of Labour who has got any money she has from the taxpayer and is not at all representative of the hard working, intelligent working class. And usually MN types despise the wc and call them thick racist bigots when the discussion is about issues like Brexit.

And the same posters are trying to use Project Fear to slow the Reform revolution. It didn't work for Brexit and it won't work for Reform. We can see what the non-reform option looks like and we don't like it.

Jadefade · 05/09/2025 17:31

He has done nothing wrong, most people in broadcasting would set up their affairs like this. It's common practice; you might as well call those who use an ISA guilt of tax evasion.

Brunettesmorefun · 05/09/2025 17:31

TopPocketFind · 05/09/2025 17:27

Tiresome for you

Inspirational to many

A single mum from a council estate becoming deputy prime minister

Very tiresome!

HRTQueen · 05/09/2025 17:32

BallerinaRadio · 05/09/2025 17:24

Yes I was struck by the multiple mentions of how she acted with integrity and transparency throughout. It didn't speak of a con artist lying through their teeth for financial gain.

it clearly states she ignored advice to gain expert advice regarding tax

and the last paragraph isn't quite supportive of her acting with integrity

Goldenbear · 05/09/2025 17:33

Bumblebee72 · 05/09/2025 17:30

And the same posters are trying to use Project Fear to slow the Reform revolution. It didn't work for Brexit and it won't work for Reform. We can see what the non-reform option looks like and we don't like it.

Don't you mean, Brexit "didn't work" for most people.