To think Farage surely has to go

[OneKookyShark]

So Farage has some dodgy private company set up to avoid paying tax. Is he being pressured to resign as head of Reform? Of course not. Because he’s an entitled privileged man.

The double standards are incredible really. Here’s the story https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/05/nigel-farage-uses-private-company-to-pay-less-tax-on-gb-news-earnings

While I think Rayner had to resign, why are the same standards not being applied?

Hmmm either way public sector are more likely to be left wing.

I’m not responding to your nonsense list

I wouldn’t either, it would take some real spin to justify it.

That’s clearly still your feelings.

18% work in public sector, around 60% of the electorate voted for centre left parties in the last GE....those that do work in PS, teach our kids, look after our health etc etc

Why the fascination?

Where did I say that? It’s not in the quote thread. I don’t remember saying it - though I might have I guess, elsewhere in the thread, but I don’t think I did.

As for Farage, being aggressive to journalists is being an arse whatever way you look at it. Going to a foreign country to run his own country down is being an arse, isn’t it? Who could see that in a different way?
Still not the point I was making though, which seems to have escaped you twice now, so let’s leave it.

I’m not saying I don’t have feelings, that’s would be a daft position. The point is my feelings stem from their behaviour rather than me having the feelings first and judging their behaviour on that basis. I don’t decide Farage is an arse and therefore dislike his behaviour and views, my dislike stems from his behaviour and views. There are (past) Tories I have a lot of time for because their behaviour and motivation is sound - sadly Johnson got rid of them all, destroyed the party and paved the way for the horror that is Farage and his cronies. Again, the horror comes from their behaviour and motivation, it doesn’t come from nowhere.

You’re the same as everyone else then. You have feelings based on someone’s behaviour. Your post said ‘I don’t think Farage is an arse because of feelings’.

You draw conclusions on him as others do Starmer / Rayner whoever.

Look at the post I originally responded to. That was suggesting the PP judged Farage’s actions because she hated him. I was pointing out it’s the other way round for many - we hate him because of his actions.

You re wasting your time arguing, some will turn black into white to twist whatever you say and will never ever criticise either the Tories or Reform.... they've become one in the same thing.

Haha oth this is not unpredictable at all. If in doubt insult it out.

If that was the standard there would be no one left in Westminister. Truth is anyone with any money is actively advised to dodge tax. Thats why the rich are rich. PAYE is a scam for the masses, the rich do it very differently, they think entirely differently and they use money very differently.

So Starmer's now fired the USA ambassador after backing him yesterday, just like last week when he backed then pushed the Deputy PM. It seems like public backing from the PM is a dangerous thing these days. Bring on Reform.

Well i mentioned no names, but its interesting you responded ... & no doubt, no insult, prolific right wing posters never criticise their parties....

You’re hardly hiding who you try to insult.

Why do it? Others manage to post views without resorting to the same.

Yes why do you? its constant, lost count of the number of times you take a dig at me.... with a pp comment to a different poster but v clear the direction.

Mostly I skip past posts but repeat use of insults just drags the thread off track. I can’t see it does much for Labour either.

It’s not really a fascination, if you look back at the thread it was a discussion about old people still being left wing. My experience is that this it’s usually people who have spent most their lives in the public sector and/or have no children (children don’t really see them). I have no evidence for this other than my own experience.

around 60% of the electorate voted for centre left parties in the last GE
Now we know that’s not true don’t we when not even 60% of the electorate voted. Let’s keep it honest please.

It really isn’t, for a lot of people. My DH is a union rep and is also a senior manager. He finds it hard work to fit his union work around his work commitments, but has kept at it for many years.

He doesn’t do it to claim extra money for himself, he does it because he does genuinely care about people who have genuine grievances. (He does get very frustrated with some of the people he deals with at times, though.)

Striking can be selfish behaviour in some instances, I agree, but being part of a union isn’t. It has a genuine role to play.

Let's hope he publicly backs Reeves so we can get rid of her too!

I worry that the Madelson sideshow, and the disgraceful responses to Charlie Kirk’s murder are just distracting us the main issue, the complete meltdown of the economy which will utterly destroy our social contract.

Yes it’s mid news cycle on those things. I think the budget will swing it back, maybe before then.

Don't you think the 'social contract' vanished a few years back now, with the very wealthy wanting to keep all the money for themselves, leaving most of us poorer not able to move up the housing ladder, not able to get on the housing ladder, having less and less disposable income even on good salaries! If they would just share a little more and the gap between the richest and the poorest was akin to the 1970s, pre Thatcher, who fractured that contract, then the wealth gap wouldn't be the same as that last seen in the Victorian era.

I think the social contract has been this:

Group 1- Government allows those who are able to be enterprising and to earn as much as they can for their efforts; in return a share of the proceeds must be shared with the rest through taxes

Group 2- Government asks very little from those who are economically engaged and trying, but are not succeeding spectacularly: the UK has very progressive taxes. Our tax share from low to medium earners is very small compared to our peer countries

Group 3- Government supports those who cannot or will not be productive through a range of benefits and entitlements

There is always a push me/ pull me about how much must flow from Group 1 to Group 3 and whether Group 2 should chip in, etc. There are points of view, side arguments, justifications, different framings, etc. It’s hard to know what the balance should be or can be. The latest tax rises, only hitting Group 1 are a bit of a real life, stress test. The taxes have been loaded on, and we are seeing not just whining, but action. Jobs slashed, large companies leaving Britain, small businesses folding, private sector investment on hold, major tax payers relocating, etc. This is creating a negative spiral with market negativity and high bond costs etc.

The social contract breaks for everyone, not just Group 1 who cannot make any money, but Group 3 too because there won’t be anything to redistribute to them. Group 2 caught in the middle find themselves inna disintegrating situation where things are getting worse and it all seems hopeless.

No wonder Reform lead in the polls!