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To think Farage surely has to go

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OneKookyShark · 05/09/2025 13:50

So Farage has some dodgy private company set up to avoid paying tax. Is he being pressured to resign as head of Reform? Of course not. Because he’s an entitled privileged man.

The double standards are incredible really. Here’s the story https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/05/nigel-farage-uses-private-company-to-pay-less-tax-on-gb-news-earnings

While I think Rayner had to resign, why are the same standards not being applied?

Nigel Farage uses private company to pay less tax on GB News earnings

Exclusive: Reform leader’s use of personal services firm is a practice criticised across the political spectrum

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/05/nigel-farage-uses-private-company-to-pay-less-tax-on-gb-news-earnings

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Goldenbear · 08/09/2025 13:12

TheNuthatch · 08/09/2025 12:52

Yes absolutely. We are all responsible for how we vote. What happens at the next election lies squarely with Labour, whether you like it or not.
You don't seem to be able to comprehend that other people have different priorities to your own.

But surely the 'economy' is a pretty big priority for everyone? I mean people are upset because they feel poorer than ever, the failing public services under the Tories is really why Labour got in, 14 years of austerity has made most people poorer and they are not going to get rich under Reform.

Bumblebee72 · 08/09/2025 13:14

Goldenbear · 08/09/2025 12:49

Why, are Labour forcing people at the polling station to mark an x against the Reform candidate? People can research their policies and decide for themselves, they are responsible for their own actions.

To be fair people being responsible for their own actions is a more right leaning political view than left.

TheNuthatch · 08/09/2025 13:15

BIossomtoes · 08/09/2025 13:06

I think it will be much like the last election with the vast majority of people voting against what they don’t want. I personally will put my political integrity in my pocket and vote for whichever candidate is most likely to defeat Reform. Sadly for me, given where I live, that’s probably Tory. I’ll just have to suck it up.

Yes I agree with you. Right now, we have no idea what any of the parties will put on the table, or even who their leaders will be. That's my point.

Goldenbear · 08/09/2025 13:15

EasternStandard · 08/09/2025 12:53

Which party puts out a manifesto two years in advance of a GE?

A party that is convinced they will be the next government - on what basis?

Bumblebee72 · 08/09/2025 13:15

Goldenbear · 08/09/2025 13:12

But surely the 'economy' is a pretty big priority for everyone? I mean people are upset because they feel poorer than ever, the failing public services under the Tories is really why Labour got in, 14 years of austerity has made most people poorer and they are not going to get rich under Reform.

You'd think, but this government has shown a bigger priority is growing the welfare state. Many people don't want the economy to grow since they would then have no excuse not to get a job.

Goldenbear · 08/09/2025 13:16

EasternStandard · 08/09/2025 13:12

What has the ECHR got to do with economic policy?

What has leaving the ECHR got to do with the economy is what you mean surely?

EasternStandard · 08/09/2025 13:17

Goldenbear · 08/09/2025 13:15

A party that is convinced they will be the next government - on what basis?

Even then parties don’t release manifestos two years in advance. Can you think of any that has?

TheNuthatch · 08/09/2025 13:18

Goldenbear · 08/09/2025 12:45

Where have I mentioned Reform voters, I'm asking about Reform, what am I voting for. I just don't know at all as they just say what and who they don't like which strikes me as very unambitious.

None of us know because the election is years away.
All any of us have to go on right now is the current performance of the government. We don't even know who the leaders will be.

Goldenbear · 08/09/2025 13:18

Goldenbear · 07/09/2025 14:28

Do you understand the significance of being a member of the EHCR for our economy?

Firstly, if the UK wants to continue to easily share personal data with the the EU, which incidentally took lots of years to rectify following the Brexit shambles, then the UK needs to demonstrate an ability to provide an adequate level of data protection which is assessed by the EU. Membership of the EHCR indirectly supports adherence to fundamental rights including privacy and data protection, these are the principles that underpin the GDPR and ensures our 'adequate' levels of protection in the eyes of the EU commission. Why would you want to revert to the challenges post Brexit of sharing personal data in a service economy like the UK has? It would be a huge, gigantic blow and set back to the UK economy making us all worse off!

Secondly, in terms of the UK-EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement (TCA) the TCA explicitly commits both parties (UK and EU) to respect the ECHR, this is a foundational element for security cooperation, judicial cooperation, and data sharing. Withdrawal from the ECHR would likely break this commitment, weakening the UK’s standing under the TCA. Again, how is that going to help the UK economy?

Can't be bothered to re-write so re posting but 'surprisingly' nobody could answer.

EasternStandard · 08/09/2025 13:18

Goldenbear · 08/09/2025 13:16

What has leaving the ECHR got to do with the economy is what you mean surely?

Any answer?

Goldenbear · 08/09/2025 13:19

EasternStandard · 08/09/2025 13:18

Any answer?

Please see above

TheNuthatch · 08/09/2025 13:20

Goldenbear · 08/09/2025 13:12

But surely the 'economy' is a pretty big priority for everyone? I mean people are upset because they feel poorer than ever, the failing public services under the Tories is really why Labour got in, 14 years of austerity has made most people poorer and they are not going to get rich under Reform.

... in your opinion
That's the bit you need to work on.

If people feel that Labour are as bad, or worse than the tories, they will look elsewhere.

Gymmumma · 08/09/2025 13:20

Cloanie · 05/09/2025 13:54

Try to find a politician who doesn’t have a clever accountant. 🙃

This. Your naïve if you don’t think they are all doing it

EasternStandard · 08/09/2025 13:21

Even the ECHR has realised it’s problematic and looking for revision. Old Labour talked about ‘de-coupling’ recently.

Goldenbear · 08/09/2025 13:22

TheNuthatch · 08/09/2025 13:20

... in your opinion
That's the bit you need to work on.

If people feel that Labour are as bad, or worse than the tories, they will look elsewhere.

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No, I would hazard a guess in most people's opinions as this is the biggest impact on their daily life, unless you are a millionaire.

StandFirm · 08/09/2025 13:23

THERE IS A DIRECT LINK BETWEEN BREXIT AND THE RISE IN SMALL BOAT CROSSINGS, so thank old Nige for his good work on that front. A researcher at the Migration Observatory said the following today in an interview (quoted in full for context):

If we look at the powerful geopolitical push factors, they’re things like regime change. We think Afghanistan, war, civil conflict. And when we look at people crossing in small boats, where do they come from? Well, the top nationalities: Afghan, Eritrea, Iranian, Syrian, Sudanese – just those five nationalities account for almost two thirds of all small boat arrivals, and these individuals are from some of the most chaotic parts of the world.
But there are also some pull factors, and the question is, why not claim asylum in France, why come to the UK? A number of reasons recur there when we speak with asylum seekers. It’s the presence of family members, the English language.
But there’s also increasing evidence of a Brexit effect. We speak with asylum seekers now, and often they’ve claimed asylum in the EU country, sometimes been refused, but they understand that because the UK is no longer a part of the EU, and no longer party to the EU’s fingerprint database for asylum seekers, if they can get to the UK, they have another bite of the cherry and another chance to secure asylum status and remain in Europe.

EasternStandard · 08/09/2025 13:23

Goldenbear · 08/09/2025 13:22

No, I would hazard a guess in most people's opinions as this is the biggest impact on their daily life, unless you are a millionaire.

Why are you convinced on economic policy? Labour are seen to be hammering SMEs right now.

hotelinfo · 08/09/2025 13:23

To be clear, I'm not a staunch Labour voter or "leftie" or whatever anyone who criticises Farage gets accused of on here. I def think AR had to go.

However, why exactly is Farage's PARTNER buying a house in his constituency with (what he claims) is "her money because she's from a well-to-do French family, you know.."

Did Clacton vote for Farage's partner? Who the hell is she anyway?

At the time of his election, Farage confirmed to multiple media sources that he would of course be buying a house among his constituents.

It's so obvious he gave his partner the money, or part of the money, to buy the house in her name to avoid SD at the second-home rate. Come on! If they were married, they would have paid the higher rate.

Apparently, Farage's partner "enjoys the air" in Clacton. Just as well, as none of Farage's constituents have seen hide nor hair of him since he was elected!

AlertLimeZebra · 08/09/2025 13:25

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anotherside · 08/09/2025 13:25

My problem with Farage isn’t legal tax avoidance.

Nor is it his stricter immigration reforms which may or not be successful. And certainly wouldn’t as strict as some hope/fear given how our economy and public services are heavily dependent on immigrants.

The main problem with Farage is that he’s a one tricky pony, who’s only real answer to the social/economic issues facing the country seems to be “cut taxes”. Economically he’ll just follow the Tory playbook only with a truly talentless bunch of ideologues pulling the strings. People think that sticking up flags and talking up Shakespeare and Churchill will somehow cut waiting lists, get houses built and make trains run on time.

AtomHeartMotherOfGod · 08/09/2025 13:25
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You are completely correct. Anyone whom Trump befriends might as well have a badge to say 'I'm a self-serving narcissist who recognises politics as a vehicle for helping myself'.

I can't stand that Bullseye lookalike.

Goldenbear · 08/09/2025 13:26

EasternStandard · 08/09/2025 13:23

Why are you convinced on economic policy? Labour are seen to be hammering SMEs right now.

I'm not discussing Labour, I'm discussing Reform and what they have to offer for the Economy to grow as that will have the most impact on people's daily lives.

TheNuthatch · 08/09/2025 13:27

Goldenbear · 08/09/2025 13:22

No, I would hazard a guess in most people's opinions as this is the biggest impact on their daily life, unless you are a millionaire.

OK. So can you open your mind enough to appreciate that many are even worse off now, and blame Labour?

Bumblebee72 · 08/09/2025 13:27

Goldenbear · 08/09/2025 13:19

Please see above

There's plenty of countries that have trade agreements with the EU that aren't signatories to the ECHR. As a country we are hardly likely to give up on all human rights but leaving would enable us to define them ourselves, make it fit for the current world, and allow our judges to have the final decision.

EasternStandard · 08/09/2025 13:28

Goldenbear · 08/09/2025 13:26

I'm not discussing Labour, I'm discussing Reform and what they have to offer for the Economy to grow as that will have the most impact on people's daily lives.

Yes and any party that frees up barriers to SMEs will help. Maybe people will vote for that.

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