To think Farage surely has to go

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So Farage has some dodgy private company set up to avoid paying tax. Is he being pressured to resign as head of Reform? Of course not. Because he’s an entitled privileged man.

The double standards are incredible really. Here’s the story https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/05/nigel-farage-uses-private-company-to-pay-less-tax-on-gb-news-earnings

While I think Rayner had to resign, why are the same standards not being applied?

Of course they do. But the status quo is we have a government that has taken a pay day loan borrowing against future growth, then has done everything it can think to stop growth. Without reducing regulation, making it cheaper to employee people etc etc we are bound to have to roll over the loan.

Where have I mentioned Reform voters, I'm asking about Reform, what am I voting for. I just don't know at all as they just say what and who they don't like which strikes me as very unambitious.

I don't know. Perhaps they mean they will have a manifesto ready for 2027 as they are predicting an early election.
It's Labour who should be in your crosshairs. It's Starmer's policies and behaviour that will lead us to a Reform led government, not Farage's.

Goid job Labour voters aren't ambitious and settle for mediocrity. Even by their standards, Labour have failed.

I share your apprehension, but it won't stop Reform being the emergency option if Labour continue to fail.

The Tories haven't set out their policies for the next government either, Reform is hardly alone.

I do not think people are embarrassed about voting or supporting for Reform

They just don't want to deal with patronising comments, people telling them they are wrong or stupid

Same with Tory voters or leave voters

Why, are Labour forcing people at the polling station to mark an x against the Reform candidate? People can research their policies and decide for themselves, they are responsible for their own actions.

I do agree with you that Reform need to be taken seriously; it’s not enough to dismiss people as if they don’t have a brain. And I can see that there are a lot of people who are worried about immigration and the seeming disparity between UK citizens who need a house and those who come from elsewhere. But I honestly don’t think Reform is the way to go. It’s being financed by rich people who just want to make themselves richer. It’s more important for us to influence labour/ the other parties to recognise the way the world has changed and to help with the housing crisis as fast as possible.

Tory voters, know lots of them, in the past Tory voters were not embarrassed, in fact depending on where you lived, it was difficult to be vocal about being anything other than Tory!

Yes absolutely. We are all responsible for how we vote. What happens at the next election lies squarely with Labour, whether you like it or not.
You don't seem to be able to comprehend that other people have different priorities to your own.

Yes but the Tories haven't claimed there will be an election in two years time.

Because many Labour voters also have right wing views around immigration particularly in poorer areas of the county

It is a mistake for Labour supporters to think that Reform is only a threat to the Tories it most definably is not, maybe in London and Manchester but certainly not in the smaller towns

Which party puts out a manifesto two years in advance of a GE?

Popular movements like the flagpoles and roundabouts are not enough in and of themselves to signal a deep shift in politics. After all, Remain marches had over 1 million at one point and polls have consistently kept showing a rise in the number of people who are dissatisfied with Brexit over the years and yet... we've not reversed it, have we?
It's not as simple as getting a few hundred people to gather around refugee hotels, paint a few roundabouts and fly a few flags to then claim that's the mood of the country. We live under a representative democracy and only a general election can reveal the bigger trends.

So essentially nobody knows what they’ll voting for?

Trump went to market and came back with a handful of Magic Beans. MAGA, hurrah, Magic Beans, hurrah. Farage ditto.

How can any of us know what we'll be voting for at the next election?

I think it will be much like the last election with the vast majority of people voting against what they don’t want. I personally will put my political integrity in my pocket and vote for whichever candidate is most likely to defeat Reform. Sadly for me, given where I live, that’s probably Tory. I’ll just have to suck it up.

Well, I know what I won't be voting for, any Party with a neo-Fascist manifesto with practices and intentions adopted from 1930s Germany. Maybe its just me but I feel it would be a Very Bad Idea. For everyone.

I wasn't referring to how ambitious Reform voters are, I was referring to the 'policies' of Reform they are unambitious and have no interest in sustainable economic growth. Nobody is going to see their economic prospects improve if we leave the EHCR for example but they are hell bent on ruining the economy so what do you do.

No ones voting yet though are they? We don't even know who will be tory leader at the election, hardly likely to be Kemi still by then. We don't know what direction labour will take with a new deputy leader.

'hell bent on ruining the economy' ...for everyone but their mates and the oligarchs who bankroll them.

Modifying access to human rights isn't such a bad thing. More often, than not, its use is manipulated by extremely dangerous individuals.

What has the ECHR got to do with economic policy?