Rayner Has Resigned

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AIBU to say it isn't unexpected, or a surprise?

There's lots of things that were once legal but their abhorrent nature (morally speaking) led to eventual law changes.

If we didn't have a country run by so many who make bank on things like tax avoidance, it too would be illegal.

She co-wrote the song too. They've got my vote now. I'm really impressed 😁

There isn’t ’lesser integrity on the right’. Labour have only been in government for a year so less have so far been caught.

Mumsnet is truly so tiresome with this unwavering, earnest belief that good people are always lefties. It’s such total and utter bollocks, no more or less.

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Examples of tax ‘avoidance’

• Leaving money in a company for future investment
• Paying money into a pension
• Deciding to not move house so you don’t have to pay 50k stamp duty
• Buying an electric car through a company scheme
• Investing savings in an ISA

Which of these should be made illegal? It’s normal human nature to avoid paying more tax than you have to - only on mumsnet have I ever heard anyone say otherwise.

I agree with this and I’m a life long labour voter

this attitude damages Labour. The self righteousness of many on the left has shut down discussions that really need to be has. And who has benefited from this more than anyone Nigel Farage

id there was an election tomorrow that red wall would topple again as it did in 2019

I don't know if you're (purposefully?) conflating tax relief with tax avoidance. But I will give you the benfit of the doubt.

The examples you have given are for specific government initiatives with a specific purpose that benefit individuals WHILST also benefiting wider society.
Eg. Pension contributions allow wider economic investment, electric cars help reduce overall carbon emissions...

As HMRC themselves say "Tax avoidance is bending the rules of the tax system to
gain a tax advantage that Parliament never intended.
It often involves contrived, artificial transactions that

serve little or no purpose other than to produce a tax
advantage. It involves operating within the letter – but not the spirit – of the law"

I also vehemently disagree that it is 'human nature' to avoid paying more tax, especially if that tax has a measurable wider positive societal impact. Its not a mere coincidence that some of the countries with the highest taxation are also invariably top of the happiness index. Even in our own country, people willingly supported the implementation of the welfare state and have consistently supported (evident through various IPSO data over the years) higher taxation towards better public services.

If this is news to you, and not something you've heard outside of Mumsnet, then perhaps that is more a reflection of the confines of your social circles...The data simply does not match your experience.

What I think many people DO have a problem with, is austerity and the continuation of taxation when nothing is improving. Especially when so many of our 'public' services, are being contracted out to private entities who award what many see as extortionate salaries to their execs, and take hardworking taxpayers money from, in the form of dividends and bonuses.

Yep. It looks like Labour are testing that anyway

Couldn’t have said it better myself. In what world does someone so uneducated and thick get appointed as Deputy PM. What a farce. It could not have ended any other way. Kier next.

Have you been drinking?

“Some of the Tories say, 'She left school at 16, she doesn't have a university degree, what does she know about education?' I say, I may not have a degree - but I have a Masters in real life”.
Angela Rayner

Well, Ange can now add ‘Rudimentary SDLT and estate planning’ to her Masters in real life.

Bless.

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Nope. I’m just old enough to have seen ministers leave in similar circumstances and return before. I believe Mandelson is on his third or fourth incarnation now.

I genuinely can't actually tell if this is sincere, hopefully sarcasm, but if DT refers to the Telegraph the hypocrisy from the torygraph/ (reforminggraph ?) is startling although not unexpected. to avoid tax on your second home www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/second-homes/how-protect-second-home-labour/ How to avoid tax on your second home . Hidden behind a pay wall of course but it's from 29th August this year.

I can't remember this level of outrage for Jeremy Hunts 7 homes SD avoidance when Chancellor, or Cameron's offshore tax havens, Nadhim Zahawi ( 3 million wasn't it?) etc etc

And where are the headlines in the MSM about Farage and his private company to avoid tax on his earnings?

Not saying she didn't have to go but the selective outrage....

Nah.

Rayner has an interesting private life, and I will wager there is a lot of shit still to see the light of day.

That said, she has proven to be a useful idiot who has done immeasurable damage to the government, so I applaud her for that.

Speaking of Alanis Morissette, I would imagine many Rayner fans have had to swallow a Jagged Little Pill, this week.

Yes. Mandelson has been mired in scandal throughout his entire political life. He’s weathered it all. I’ll put money on Rayner being the same.

The right by and large don’t resign when they have broken the rules.

The left do.

It’s not about numbers, it’s about actions when breaches of the rules are found out. This used to mean resignations whatever your politics. In the past decade that sense of decency has gone, as the right don’t resign and brazen through.

The day before the conveyancer corrected the lies Labour MPs were doing media rounds repeating that lie. She had to go and there’s no way they would after Shoosmiths and Verrico put out statements.

It was her own doing that she had to go.

I’m not saying AR shouldn’t have resigned and only people on the left do good. That would be remarkably naive.

I have met and admire folk from both sides of the political debate who contribute massively to their communities.

My point is that in recent times, those on the right have proven more likely to refuse to resign when found to have transgressed than those on the left and pondering whether lack of scrutiny by a right wing press creates this disparity in action.

I’m also seriously underwhelmed by Labour’s first year in office. I probably feel currently politically homeless.

HAHAHA (genuine laughter).

You would be doubling down then - as you would have put money on Rayner not being booted out. I am sure plenty of bookies will be happy to take your money.

Mandy was/is a politician (look at him noshing off Trump just now - nauseating as the images are). Rayner was/is a one-trick pony, without any political instinct whatsoever. QED.

She had, until Friday, three homes. She techncially part-owned one of them (the one which she has stated is her primary residence for council tax), had one provided through work, and then bought another. That’s three homes.

Well, I’m sure she, and the trust, will be suing the papers soon then…

It clearly wasn't three homes and was a cheeky overreach by the press. The London home comes for the duration of the job, it is no more hers than No10 or 11 belongs to the prime minister and chancellor. She doesn't own or rent it. If these places weren't available the taxpayer would have to pay to put them all up in hotels while they're working in London, you wouldn't call that a "home". She has no interest or income potential from a temporary grace and favour apartment.

I think it’s also about what they have championed during their career

no doubt the press plays a part as they shall expose hypocrisy with delight

and it’s the hypocrisy that will tarnish

the press also love a sex scandal and delighted in ending Matt Hancock career

So you'd agree that well paid mums on MN who pay money in to pensions to not only reduce their tax liability but also to continue to be eligible for taxpayer subsidies for their childcare are not only acting immorally, but also operating within the letter – but not the spirit – of the law? Are they morally reprehensible?