Rayner Has Resigned

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AIBU to say it isn't unexpected, or a surprise?

I think the Clacton property is the electorate's business.

He lied about buying the property to portray the image that good old Nige, man of the people, would be living amongst those who voted for him.

We all know that in reality Farage gives not a shiny shit about the people who voted him in.

He got very nasty with Rigby when she questioned him. The mask really slipped there.

This! All so true, he was barefaced lying when being questioned in America this week over media being refused to press events. How anyone trusts this despicable man is beyond me when practically every sentence out of his mouth just a lie!

Translated as ‘I have no salient points to make, so I’ll say you don’t want an argument’.

You haven’t attempted a single point that falls into the category of respectful or exploration of anything. You just keep claiming that I don’t want a debate. And I keep saying make a point that constitutes a debate. Is this like when people try and discredit others by calling them names so that they don’t have address the issue.

Everyone can read what I’ve written and what you’ve written. They can make their own minds up. Have a good Sunday.

Still no points to debate then.

At least we have ascertained your intentions then. Given many opportunities, you have only resorted to insults rather than debating. So we know it’s not a debate you wanted, you wanted a slanging match. Not very ‘be kind’, is it?

Good, now we know.

At least she resigned. A tory would have kept on defrauding the country.
Farage dodged a £44,000 fee by putting his wife down as owner.
No one is as corrupt as the right.

To be fair I discovered yesterday that MPs are given a dedicated number to HMRC which isn’t generally available.

OK fair enough. I find it hard to believe she would deliberately try to get away with this amount of tax owing knowing her job would be on the line. She isn't a stupid woman and I am not a Labour supporter.

Probably because they are more likely than the general public to be crooked.

I agree. I think she was careless, particularly in light of the furore around CGT on the first property she purchased.

His partner IS the owner. AML and KYC would have ensured that all monies spent were her own (or legally and fully gifted); he has no ownership rights over the property so why would he be liable for the tax, just because he stays there sometimes?

Do you similarly criticise Rayner for not only her and exDH purchasing two council houses, but each “living” in their own separate houses despite being married and registering their children at his address? Do you think she was wrong to designate her ex-marital home as her primary residence in order for taxpayers to pay the bills at AH, when she could have kept that as her primary residence as her job was literally next door? All of these were equally questionable but equally legal.

Do you criticise her for allowing the alleged over-inflating of the marital home value so she could draw more money from the trust set up for the benefit of her disabled son?

Or are these speculations in some way different to your speculation about Farage’s perfectly legal non-ownership of a property?

She has shown spectacularly poor judgement in this case. Whether that makes her stupid is down to personal opinion.

There have been other female, working class, northern ministers (some Tory) - Margaret Beckett, Sayeeda Warsi, Justine Greening - Rayner is not the first or some special unicorn who must be put on a pedestal. All politicians in high office including the male, posh and southern will have their dealings interrogated to look for dodginess as that is a weapon for the opposition to use against them and makes the public lose trust in them. Also, as leaders who make decisions that affect everyone else, they need to behave transparently and impeccably, hence the ministerial code.

Of course there’s corruption and some get away with more than others but being seen to be on the take/avoiding tax/breaking rules is one of the things that makes politicians unpopular and tends to bring them down, as has happened to loads of ministers of all parties, classes, both sexes etc.

Also are you saying someone must be above reproach or investigation just because they’re female, WC, northern etc? That’s ridiculous and a recipe for corruption. Just because I’m a woman and a feminist doesn’t mean I support all the behaviours of all females, and if you think about it you probably don’t either.

Yeah, but no. Just because she's a Mum and WC doesn't not mean she has a Get Out Of Jail card for when she knowingly breaks the Ministerial Code FFS.

Millions of working class Mums manage to not defraud HMRC for tens of thousands of pounds.

What I find fascinating is in UK Labour go, in US Democrats go but in UK Tories don’t go for parties, eye test lies, fraudulent contracts, greater dishonesty etc nor will Farage with his 15% tax dodge on his GB news earnings. Or 4 properties some hidden behind a corporate shield. Same in States. Republicans brazen it out.
what is behind the lesser integrity of the right wing ? Is there less press scrutiny of them? If so time there was a regulated journalist profession which sanctioned bias.

I am terribly worried by this thread as I think a Reform government will dismantle NHS completely, and cancel state pensions. Those with pre-existing conditions won’t get health insurance and will face the bankruptcy of those in the US.

of course we should expect all our politicians to follow the rules. Key word :ALL

Choosing not to seek specialist advice after twice having been advised to do so is not 'carelessness'. It was a calculated decision and an extremely serious error of judgement which caused major damage to a party already deep in crisis.

She hasn’t got three homes!
Her son owns her former matrimonial home. She got divorced and sold her house. In this case to her son to make sure he could stay in the house adapted for his needs.

She then brought a new home - possibly with her partner.
She had a grace and favour flat in London. All MPs living some distance from their constituency have a home there and in London.

Stop believing the right wing press.

@mumindoghouse "Farage with his 15% tax dodge on his GB news earnings"

It's not a "tax dodge" it's legal Tax Avoidance.

I have an accountant that helps me "avoid" as much tax as possible in my business. That's legal.

Tax evasion is illegal and these people found that out - https://www.crunch.co.uk/knowledge/article/how-famous-tax-dodgers-came-unstuck

https://www.holbornadams.com/post/tax-evasion-sentence

For goodness sake, she sold her 25% in the home to her son's trust at any over-inflated price. What kind if person does tha? A trustee is required to act in tge trust's best interests, not get maximum personal money out of them. Somebody who has real integrity needs to advocate for this child

How do you know it was inflated? Smaller homes on her road sold for a lower price. Her home was detached and adapted. If you look further it was the correct price. Again, don’t believe the right wing press.

You think it takes months for the Deputy PM to get advice from HMRC? About 5 to 15 minutes would be my guess.

The final report actually said they believed she had acted in good faith but had made a mistake in not seeking further expert advice.

The ‘alleged’ over inflated price. Only it wasn’t over inflated.

And that all things considered, the code had been breached and she had not acted according to the high standards of integrity required.

She initially blamed advice given to her by the law firm for her "mistake" i.e. did not acknowledge the mistake. They had to come out and defend themselves and clear up that she was advised to take further, expert advice.

I am not closely involved, I don't know everything that went on, like most of us - but most people can see when someone is floundering around trying to absolve themselves and pass the buck, and gets caught out. I don't think being a working-class northern woman has caused this at all, and in fact if she was a posh southern bloke the criticism would be damning and he'd probably have lost everyone's confidence a lot sooner. KS was clearly trying to avoid sacking her.

And what kind of person makes allegations that a mother has exploited their disabled child without checking the claims (from a right wing newspaper out to destroy that mother) properly.