To think this is a really awful thing to say? Tw

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Referring to children who don’t have behavioural issues or SEND as ‘normal’ children?

Big disagree! They absolutely do!!!

Extra exam and assessment time

One on one staff time

Free laptop, free other gizmos, excusal from various forms of assessment

Yes they do

So what is the correct label? Non SEN? I’m not saying it’s right but it’s merely a term that’s been used to show that child is just “typical” or “average” in this context. If a child has “additional” or “special” (in the context of educational needs) then those needs are based against the “typical”, or to put it another way “normal” needs. It might not be the be best term but I don’t think it’s that offensive.

I think most of the time it would be a slip up. And not completely unreasonable as a mistake - I mean, neurotypical is acceptable and widely used, but “typical” is basically a synonym for normal.

Don't forget the extra DLA and associated UC disabled child elements- for a child on HRC this can be over 1k extra each and every month... and when the child has ADHD or autism for example they don't really have any more added expenses than other children who don't qualify for all this extra money.

What's that got to do with the topic under discussion?

And you don't qualify for additional benefits simply for having ADHD or ASD, you have to demonstrate need.

Embarrassingly ignorant lol

First of all it goes off need not diagnosis and autism is a huge spectrum my son gets HRC and HRM so we get a " free" car he costs an absolute fortune, he's severely autistic with severe learning disabilities, and incredibly destructive I'm constantly replacing clothes house hold items but you carry on with your ignorance.

I think it depends how it is used. I have one disabled, SEN child and one other, and for want of better, more fitting words that laymen will understand, I have occasionally been known to refer to the "normal" child, or "normal" issues, always with finger quotes - because what the hell is normal anyway, but it clearly and succintly explains what I mean. What term should I use? Healthy? Non-SEN? Able? Clearly I'm not using the term in a derogatory way, and I'd never say it about anybody else's kid, but genuinely curious if there is an official term I should be using if mine is accidentally causing offence

What would you prefer?

Exactly. You have to demonstrate need, not expense.
Just because an ADHD child may need extra watching over or guidance doesn't mean they cost more like for like compared to other nt kids. No medical equipment, expensive adaptations, frequent hospital trips etc as you would expect with other illnesses and disabilities.
Literally 1k extra each month to spend on what they like as a family, oh and of course a club or two to burn off the child's extra energy or improve their mental health (my nt children would also like and benefit from clubs but we don't qualify for extra money)

This is relevent because it's just another example of how SEN children and their families absolutely do get 'special' treatment and extra opportunities, as per pp.

So ignorant
Are you really saying you are jealous of children with disabilities?
Again it goes off need not diagnosis not all children with ADHD and or Autism will qualify
And only those with very complex needs will qualify for the highest rates.

The “opposite” of a child with SEND is not JUST a “neurotypical “ child.

To suggest it would be is to suggest that SEND is just “neurodivergent” conditions and not multiple other conditions and diseases that cause the D part of SEND (disability) - heart conditions, joint conditions, mitochondrial disorders, endocrine disorders, other rare genetic disorders, cerebral palsy, kidney problems etc etc…

A neurotypical child can also be physically profoundly disabled.

The dialogue around children with special educational needs and disabilities has become synonymous with ASD and ADHD when in fact the needs some children described as having SEND frequently go beyond “educational needs” and are extensive, stressful, financially devastating, painful and often life-shortening.

SEND (or not being “normal”) often goes way beyond getting 1-1 attention in school or a fucking laptop.

Is it “awful” to refer to any person who does not have needs of this type as “normal”…? No. Normal isn’t an insult.

I refer to people without the kinds of needs or disabilities that put them into SEND categories as “regular “ children. If that’s offensive- as the parent of a PMLD child I couldn’t give a fuck to be honest. People will obviously go looking for offence where none is intended.

What the actual fuck are you drivelling on about?? I have a child with ADHD and, with the exception of child benefit, we get the grand total of absolutely fuck all from the government*, let alone £1000 a month. I don’t know anyone with a child who has ADHD or ASD who gets £1k a month free money. What a load of bollocks.
*my DD does get extra time in exams, sorry if that offends you

Not a phrase I would ever use but I wouldn’t automatically think the person was awful, especially if tey don’t work in SEND.

Do they work in SEND?

Well it won’t be for long, if Reform get anywhere near parliament they’ll stop all these payments within days of taking over. SEN is far too “woke” for them, so we would all need to get used to the term “normal”.

Complete ignorance on your part. You should be ashamed of yourself.

DLA high rate care £110 per week
DLA low rate mobility £29.20 a week

UC disabled child element £495 per month... well over a grand a month extra, and all disregarded for other benefits.

Not to mention the parents can then claim carers allowance etc.

You should get on it quick if your child has a firm diagnosis. Seems you are missing out big time.

My son is autistic but he's severely disabled by it ,non verbal ,very limited understanding of the world around him at 15 he's cognitively around two or three years of age honestly I would lose the autism diagnosis aa it does nothing to describe his needs.

That's just not true again it goes on NEED!

They do. They get special educational treatment (if they're lucky)

Well some do but it's generally those that have very complex disabilities.

It's not nice sounding, no. But I'd imagine it's clumsily worded. Normal can translate to 'standard' 'ordinary' and I suppose it can mean 'without additional needs' . I don't think it's meant offensively, but I can see how it would be offensive sounding to others. I guess it all comes down to intent.

I can see why it bothers some people but I can’t get worked up over it. I think sometimes people mean typical rather than normal.

One thing that does annoy me though is when parents say my child IS insert SEND your child isn’t ADHD.

But you don’t get that unless you can prove (very bloody difficult) that your child with ADHD or autism requires that money. Which is virtually impossible, unless you are severely disabled with it.

Where are you getting your info from? I swear, this is the new lazy-person’s ‘everyone on benefits is cheating the system’ bollocks. Stop parroting utter drivel.