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To not see the appeal of Reform

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Reallyneedsaholiday · 01/09/2025 15:57

Sure, I can see the appeal of “reform” (with a lower case “r”), noone is under any illusion that the country is in a great way, at the moment, but not the appeal of the Reform political party. And I genuinely want to understand what it is that has so many people in thrall to them. All I’m hearing is “sToP tHE bOAtS”, but Reform will not do this, no matter what they are saying now. Simply returning anyone who arrives here on a boat, without following due process and considering their application, would see the country subjected to international sanctions, that we cannot afford. The only viable way to actually stop the boats, is to address why people are using them in the first place. WE have decreed that no one can apply from anywhere other than on our soil, and so have left them with little choice. France offered the opportunity to have a centre in Calais, Rwanda would have also worked, as a base where asylum seekers could apply without risking their lives on the channel. Those who are successful could be brought here safely, and anyone using unauthorised routes, could THEN be legally removed without appeal. It’s not a difficult solution, so you have to ask yourself “why” politicians turned down the opportunity. The only logical reason for this, is that they WANT the boats to continue. Again, you have to ask yourself “why”, and the reason for THAT is simply that they want the distraction, they need the scapegoat.
We’ve all seen the headlines, claiming that asylum seekers are living in the lap of luxury, with free phones etc, which is simply not true. Asylum seekers actually cost the country less than we lose through tax avoidance, every year.

But if we put immigration aside, as the distraction that it is, what appeals about Reform? I’ve asked many people and really struggle to find any Reform supporter who can even tell me what any of their policies are. Why are they so keen to sign away our human rights, leaving us to the whim of successive governments? Why are they so keen to introduce a private health care system (good luck getting any cover if your have any pre-existing medical conditions in your family)? Why are they so keen to introduce fracking? Or to scrap “net zero”? Tbh, I’m not completely sold on “net zero” myself, but overall, being more environmentally friendly strikes me as a positive move. Less pollution, less plastics, cleaner water, cheaper, safer energy etc, etc. you could scrap the title “net zero”, while keeping the important bits that would generally improve our quality of life, without throwing what we have achieved, to date, away.

I could go on, but I’d just like to ask anyone who is thinking of voting Reform, at the next opportunity, why? And how you see your own life improving IF they won a GE?

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basinbasin · 10/09/2025 20:30

We had a discussion at work the other day and everyone agreed that flying the flags isn't racist, illegal immigration needs to be stopped, and that Keir Starmer is an idiot

Well that settles it then...

Conversely discussions at my work & everyone agrees the timing of the flags is odd, illegal immigration whilst a problem is not the cause of all our ills & quite a complex thing to solve, and that Reform voters are idiots.

Bumblebee72 · 10/09/2025 20:34

basinbasin · 10/09/2025 20:30

We had a discussion at work the other day and everyone agreed that flying the flags isn't racist, illegal immigration needs to be stopped, and that Keir Starmer is an idiot

Well that settles it then...

Conversely discussions at my work & everyone agrees the timing of the flags is odd, illegal immigration whilst a problem is not the cause of all our ills & quite a complex thing to solve, and that Reform voters are idiots.

What bizarre mono-cultures you both work in!

MumOfManyAliases · 10/09/2025 20:36

Hoardasauruskaren · 10/09/2025 17:43

Labour have had 14 months in power to undo 14 years of austerity. Also the covid pandemic & Brexit that have caused a lot of the issues faced today. Do you really think Reform will solve the COL crisis, reduce immigration & sort the NHS out in less time?

When Labour won the election last year, they went on and on about the £22bn black hole in the country’s finances that they claimed to have inherited from the Cons. Since Labour have been in power, this has grown and is now over £50bn - in a mere 14 months. They aren’t going on about the black hole anymore. Wonder why?! If that’s what can happen in 14 months, imagine what a state the country will be by the time of the next election. And Labour’s supporters go on and on about 14 years austerity under the Tories - but they never stop to think why. The fact is the country’s finances were left in such a state by the previous Labour government the austerity measures were a necessary evil in order to balance the books. If you think that was bad, you are in for a very nasty surprise when the next Government have to come along and try to fix everything. You can’t just keep spending recklessly on borrowed finances and giving away tax payer money to developed countries in aid etc without due consideration that eventually someone is going to have to pay for it - I.e future generations (kids growing up today who didn’t get any say in the matter).

anyolddinosaur · 10/09/2025 20:42

Labour did not cause austerity - public finances were improving by the end of their time in government but bailing out the banks ruined that. Then the Tories sold them off to their mates cheaply so we never got much of that money back. Austerity was only "necessary" to give tax cuts to the rich. Add the mismanagement of covid and Boris handing out money to his cronies and Labour did inherit a mess. I wouldnt say they've handled the mess well but they didnt create it.

TheNuthatch · 10/09/2025 21:04

anyolddinosaur · 10/09/2025 20:42

Labour did not cause austerity - public finances were improving by the end of their time in government but bailing out the banks ruined that. Then the Tories sold them off to their mates cheaply so we never got much of that money back. Austerity was only "necessary" to give tax cuts to the rich. Add the mismanagement of covid and Boris handing out money to his cronies and Labour did inherit a mess. I wouldnt say they've handled the mess well but they didnt create it.

Alistair Darling was also promising austerity before the 2010 election though. In 2009 he said - 'it will take two full parliaments of intensifying austerity to get government borrowing back to acceptable levels'.
Both main parties campaigned on this.

Alexandra2001 · 10/09/2025 21:06

MumOfManyAliases · 10/09/2025 20:36

When Labour won the election last year, they went on and on about the £22bn black hole in the country’s finances that they claimed to have inherited from the Cons. Since Labour have been in power, this has grown and is now over £50bn - in a mere 14 months. They aren’t going on about the black hole anymore. Wonder why?! If that’s what can happen in 14 months, imagine what a state the country will be by the time of the next election. And Labour’s supporters go on and on about 14 years austerity under the Tories - but they never stop to think why. The fact is the country’s finances were left in such a state by the previous Labour government the austerity measures were a necessary evil in order to balance the books. If you think that was bad, you are in for a very nasty surprise when the next Government have to come along and try to fix everything. You can’t just keep spending recklessly on borrowed finances and giving away tax payer money to developed countries in aid etc without due consideration that eventually someone is going to have to pay for it - I.e future generations (kids growing up today who didn’t get any say in the matter).

Only one economist has said about a 41bn black hole, its also over 5 years, expect that bit passed you by.

R u saying there was no black hole in the first place?

basinbasin · 10/09/2025 21:49

Do you really think Reform will solve the COL crisis, reduce immigration & sort the NHS out in less time?

But they say they will sort it out all whilst not cutting taxes so people want to think utopia exists.

TooBigForMyBoots · 10/09/2025 22:06

AnneOnAMoose · 10/09/2025 19:58

And when have LabCon proven themselves any better?

Certainly not in my lifetime!

Perhaps not in your lifetime, but in mine.

I have watched Farage as he joined, grew, and ruined parties. Reform is no different. How many successful Reform candidates have resigned / jumped ship?

People may not re-elect Starmer at the next GE, in 4 years, that doesn't mean they'll vote for Farage's mess.

LizzieW1969 · 11/09/2025 07:19

Bumblebee72 · 10/09/2025 20:34

What bizarre mono-cultures you both work in!

lol. Except that I’m sure that not all their work colleagues joined in the discussion, just their own echo chambers.

anyolddinosaur · 11/09/2025 08:27

@TheNuthatch the degree of austerity and who suffered would have been considerably different. The economy was improving but austerity killed that off. Labour plans were less drastic, over a longer period and would not have tanked the economy. Also Labour would not have held a Brexit referendum.

basinbasin · 11/09/2025 11:25

What bizarre mono-cultures you both work in!

I thought it was obvious that I was taking the piss!

Bulldogdays · 11/09/2025 15:00

TooBigForMyBoots · 10/09/2025 22:06

Perhaps not in your lifetime, but in mine.

I have watched Farage as he joined, grew, and ruined parties. Reform is no different. How many successful Reform candidates have resigned / jumped ship?

People may not re-elect Starmer at the next GE, in 4 years, that doesn't mean they'll vote for Farage's mess.

Yes and due to that we now have Restore Britain..not a political party yet ,but it's heading that way

NotMyNigelFarage · 11/09/2025 20:37

Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 22:34

Love this 😆 🤣

I think "The Tardian" has more of a ring. 🤣

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/09/2025 20:42

Bulldogdays · 11/09/2025 15:00

Yes and due to that we now have Restore Britain..not a political party yet ,but it's heading that way

Splitters!
🤣🤣🤣

Bumblebee72 · 11/09/2025 22:16

Bulldogdays · 11/09/2025 15:00

Yes and due to that we now have Restore Britain..not a political party yet ,but it's heading that way

At this rate people are going to be campaigning for English Heritage to become a prescribed organisation.

JudithDunbar · 11/09/2025 22:29

Because being on the Lab-Con-Lab-Con carousel has wrecked the UK. Both parties are contemptible but we'd have been better off just sticking with one of them since ww2. The turn taking between the two has been so damaging. Time to get off the carousel.

Bulldogdays · 12/09/2025 03:41

@JudithDunbar totally agree ,they just change to undo what the other put in place .
Labour didn't even give the Rwanda scheme a chance ..just wasted all that money spent ..just because he could ..
It's like they just play tit for tat ,with UK money

Alexandra2001 · 12/09/2025 07:58

Bulldogdays · 12/09/2025 03:41

@JudithDunbar totally agree ,they just change to undo what the other put in place .
Labour didn't even give the Rwanda scheme a chance ..just wasted all that money spent ..just because he could ..
It's like they just play tit for tat ,with UK money

Rwanda had 3 years to prove itself and no other country has taken it over... it was never going to work, 1% of x ch migrants were, perhaps, going to be sent, thats no deterrent.

The Cons have been in power for the majority of the post war period & the only time we ve had successive Lab Govts was under Blair...

What exactly did 18 yrs under Thatcher and Major give us? what happened o North sea oil money.... the last 14 years?

Recessions, destruction of industry, mass unemployment, ERM, Brexit, zero growth, low wages, 100% debt to gdp..... 1.2m p.a immigration.....

Was it amazing under Labour? nope, as i'm sure you'll tell me, but we weren't in the mess we are now, we had public services that worked, good growth and far less division.

Bumblebee72 · 12/09/2025 08:49

Alexandra2001 · 12/09/2025 07:58

Rwanda had 3 years to prove itself and no other country has taken it over... it was never going to work, 1% of x ch migrants were, perhaps, going to be sent, thats no deterrent.

The Cons have been in power for the majority of the post war period & the only time we ve had successive Lab Govts was under Blair...

What exactly did 18 yrs under Thatcher and Major give us? what happened o North sea oil money.... the last 14 years?

Recessions, destruction of industry, mass unemployment, ERM, Brexit, zero growth, low wages, 100% debt to gdp..... 1.2m p.a immigration.....

Was it amazing under Labour? nope, as i'm sure you'll tell me, but we weren't in the mess we are now, we had public services that worked, good growth and far less division.

I think thats fair progressive governments have just got shitter and shitter moving from conservative to labour and back again. That's why many people want to try somethings completely different.

MumOfManyAliases · 13/09/2025 03:05

Alexandra2001 · 10/09/2025 21:06

Only one economist has said about a 41bn black hole, its also over 5 years, expect that bit passed you by.

R u saying there was no black hole in the first place?

The OBR and NIESR figures are there in black and white - over £40bn rising to £50bn. Pretending it doesn’t exist just makes you sound like a party press officer, not someone dealing in facts.

ElatedShark · 13/09/2025 16:11

YorkshirePuddingsGreatestFan · 01/09/2025 21:51

We had local councillors who actually live here. They took pride in the area and did a lot of good for the community sorting out problems, organising events, helping people who needed it etc. The all had an online presence so you could see what meetings they'd been to, what projects they were working on, problems they'd sorted, people they'd visited and so on. They were also frequently spotted out and about in the area doing various things.

They were voted out for Reform councillors. None of them live here and nothing has happened since they took over. There's been no community events, they've not been seen in the local area and they're not on social media. Nobody has any idea of what they've actually done since being elected.

Less brown people maybe?

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