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To not see the appeal of Reform

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Reallyneedsaholiday · 01/09/2025 15:57

Sure, I can see the appeal of “reform” (with a lower case “r”), noone is under any illusion that the country is in a great way, at the moment, but not the appeal of the Reform political party. And I genuinely want to understand what it is that has so many people in thrall to them. All I’m hearing is “sToP tHE bOAtS”, but Reform will not do this, no matter what they are saying now. Simply returning anyone who arrives here on a boat, without following due process and considering their application, would see the country subjected to international sanctions, that we cannot afford. The only viable way to actually stop the boats, is to address why people are using them in the first place. WE have decreed that no one can apply from anywhere other than on our soil, and so have left them with little choice. France offered the opportunity to have a centre in Calais, Rwanda would have also worked, as a base where asylum seekers could apply without risking their lives on the channel. Those who are successful could be brought here safely, and anyone using unauthorised routes, could THEN be legally removed without appeal. It’s not a difficult solution, so you have to ask yourself “why” politicians turned down the opportunity. The only logical reason for this, is that they WANT the boats to continue. Again, you have to ask yourself “why”, and the reason for THAT is simply that they want the distraction, they need the scapegoat.
We’ve all seen the headlines, claiming that asylum seekers are living in the lap of luxury, with free phones etc, which is simply not true. Asylum seekers actually cost the country less than we lose through tax avoidance, every year.

But if we put immigration aside, as the distraction that it is, what appeals about Reform? I’ve asked many people and really struggle to find any Reform supporter who can even tell me what any of their policies are. Why are they so keen to sign away our human rights, leaving us to the whim of successive governments? Why are they so keen to introduce a private health care system (good luck getting any cover if your have any pre-existing medical conditions in your family)? Why are they so keen to introduce fracking? Or to scrap “net zero”? Tbh, I’m not completely sold on “net zero” myself, but overall, being more environmentally friendly strikes me as a positive move. Less pollution, less plastics, cleaner water, cheaper, safer energy etc, etc. you could scrap the title “net zero”, while keeping the important bits that would generally improve our quality of life, without throwing what we have achieved, to date, away.

I could go on, but I’d just like to ask anyone who is thinking of voting Reform, at the next opportunity, why? And how you see your own life improving IF they won a GE?

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Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 14:32

EasternStandard · 09/09/2025 14:31

You seem to be out of date with this.

Just a bit.

EasternStandard · 09/09/2025 14:33

Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 14:32

Just a bit.

Plus the usual you don't live here jibe.

WhereIsMyJumper · 09/09/2025 14:44

Cgar2018 · 09/09/2025 13:35

I hear you - and for what it’s worth, it’s really not about sneering at people or looking down on anyone - disagreeing with a party or being critical of their policies doesn’t automatically mean people think less of the people who support them. That kind of attitude gets us nowhere.

I completely agree that people vote for different reasons - logic, values, society, or even out of frustration with the status quo - and all of that is valid. It's not about virtue signalling or tribalism; it's about calling out ideas or policies that I genuinely believe are harmful or misleading, not the individuals voting. Criticism of a party isn’t the same as snobbery toward its voters. We should all be able to talk about this stuff without assuming the worst of each other - that’s how democracy is supposed to work, no? And freedom of speech (that Farage seems to be bleating out a lot about recently!).

As an American living in the UK and can vote in both countries - I can’t help but see worrying parallels between Reform and MAGA. Trump promised to shake up the system, but what did the US actually get? Prices up, inflation up, job market not good (and he's trying to censor the stats on that!) division deeper than ever - ultimately absolutely no real progress for ordinary people. Farage’s open admiration for Trump is honestly a red flag for me. It’s not about snobbery - it’s about recognising patterns, and I’d hate to see the UK go down a similar path thinking it’s something new or different.

Edited

Thank you for the balanced response.
I can’t pretend to know too much about American politics - and don’t have a very strong opinion on Trump or the political direction of the USA. That is only because I don’t have enough information to form an opinion and I prefer not to listen to sensationalism (from either side)

Is the swing towards Reform anything like MAGA culture? I don’t know. I’m sure there are probably similarities between the two but given I don’t know much about MAGA I can’t really comment.

The next GE is a long way off yet. Reform being in existence is at least bolstering people to share opinions on what really matters to them with less fear of being flamed for it (although it obviously still happens) that could, in theory, kick our other main parties in to shape and pull their act together before the next GE. I don’t hold much hope for Labour doing that because they’ve been very weak so far. But maybe they do need more time. I don’t think the bitter taste the Tories left will have disappointed by the next GE - but perhaps with a clever rebrand they could do it - there is also space for another party to get their act together. The point I am trying to make it, Reform being ahead in the polls will hopefully shake up the two party system we have had in place for longer than anyone cares to remember.

I must admit, I don’t think it’s a bad thing that Farage doesn’t seem to care if he is liked. He’s been banging the same drum (or, if you want to put it a better way, has been unwavering in his beliefs) as long as he has been in the public eye - even when he was hated for it. I think Starmer is too worried about being liked.

That’s just my opinion anyway. Like I said, it’s too far away for me to know who I will vote for just yet. But I’m open to hear all opinions as long as they don’t involve someone telling me I am racist or thick just because I refuse to dismiss Reform
out of hand.

Cgar2018 · 09/09/2025 14:52

Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 14:04

You will find this forum and the real world, are poles apart. Trump and Farage offer a recognition of nationalism - something which scares the hell out of those with saviour complex.

Ummm - Trump and Farage may appeal to some through nationalist rhetoric, but that doesn’t mean criticism of their politics comes from a “saviour complex.” It’s possible (and actually necessary) to question nationalism when it slides into exclusion, division, scapegoating etc. Real-world consequences matter more than slogans, and history shows us what happens when nationalism is taken too far....

Alexandra2001 · 09/09/2025 15:46

Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 14:26

I just did.

Then you'll know the polling avg for Reform is 1 in 3 voters.....

66% don't support Reform....

Starmer won on 34% i doubt you think that was the "real world" do you.

Alexandra2001 · 09/09/2025 15:54

EasternStandard · 09/09/2025 14:31

You seem to be out of date with this.

Nope, its approx 1 in 3 voters say they'll vote Reform..... if GE tomo but the GE wont be for another 4 years .....

YouGov 7/8th September 2025

Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 16:07

Alexandra2001 · 09/09/2025 15:46

Then you'll know the polling avg for Reform is 1 in 3 voters.....

66% don't support Reform....

Starmer won on 34% i doubt you think that was the "real world" do you.

Starmer's call to office was at a fortuitous time. You keep your head buried about Reform's speedy progression. I will do me.

scalt · 09/09/2025 16:13

Some people Daily Mail readers think there was a "golden age", once upon a time: easy to get a doctor's appointment (in your house as well), not so many "people of colour" (not my words), petrol cost about 50p per gallon, never mind per litre, a husband would go home from work to find dinner on the table, house prices were in five figures, and the government wasn't interfering and micromanaging all the time, or trying to price you off the road. These people are "traumatised" by politicians such as Tony Blair, John "Two Jags" Prescott and Ken Livingstone making driving more and more expensive.

This golden age which the are dreaming of never existed. But Reform tries to appeal to those who "remember" such a time, hence rhetoric like "scrap net zero".

When Thatcher was elected, lots of people thought she was "a breath of fresh air", who would crush those striking lefty unions, among other things. Farage has openly said that Thatcher is his idol, and his followers are believing that he will have the same effect.

"This great country can be yours again," Farage says, "if you will kneel down and worship vote for me." And his supporters are lapping it up.

Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 16:16

scalt · 09/09/2025 16:13

Some people Daily Mail readers think there was a "golden age", once upon a time: easy to get a doctor's appointment (in your house as well), not so many "people of colour" (not my words), petrol cost about 50p per gallon, never mind per litre, a husband would go home from work to find dinner on the table, house prices were in five figures, and the government wasn't interfering and micromanaging all the time, or trying to price you off the road. These people are "traumatised" by politicians such as Tony Blair, John "Two Jags" Prescott and Ken Livingstone making driving more and more expensive.

This golden age which the are dreaming of never existed. But Reform tries to appeal to those who "remember" such a time, hence rhetoric like "scrap net zero".

When Thatcher was elected, lots of people thought she was "a breath of fresh air", who would crush those striking lefty unions, among other things. Farage has openly said that Thatcher is his idol, and his followers are believing that he will have the same effect.

"This great country can be yours again," Farage says, "if you will kneel down and worship vote for me." And his supporters are lapping it up.

Didn't get past your passe reference to the DM.

Alexandra2001 · 09/09/2025 16:22

Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 16:07

Starmer's call to office was at a fortuitous time. You keep your head buried about Reform's speedy progression. I will do me.

I challenged your assertion Reform represent the Real World, they don't, just approx 30% of voters and even that depends on turnout.

....You never mentioned their rapid rise in the 'polls, which is undeniable.

Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 16:25

Alexandra2001 · 09/09/2025 16:22

I challenged your assertion Reform represent the Real World, they don't, just approx 30% of voters and even that depends on turnout.

....You never mentioned their rapid rise in the 'polls, which is undeniable.

Edited

I talked about Reform winning a GE tomorrow. How does that not reflect growing popularity?

EasternStandard · 09/09/2025 16:25

Alexandra2001 · 09/09/2025 15:46

Then you'll know the polling avg for Reform is 1 in 3 voters.....

66% don't support Reform....

Starmer won on 34% i doubt you think that was the "real world" do you.

What does it matter? The same for Labour

What counts is who gets in with FPTP on the low 30 odd % and the pp is right on that.

Alexandra2001 · 09/09/2025 16:35

Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 16:25

I talked about Reform winning a GE tomorrow. How does that not reflect growing popularity?

Maybe read what you wrote earlier......... on the Real World?

I'm not denying a Reform win or their rise in the polls.

Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 17:22

Alexandra2001 · 09/09/2025 16:35

Maybe read what you wrote earlier......... on the Real World?

I'm not denying a Reform win or their rise in the polls.

Those polls are real, are they not?

AnneOnAMoose · 09/09/2025 17:42

scalt · 09/09/2025 16:13

Some people Daily Mail readers think there was a "golden age", once upon a time: easy to get a doctor's appointment (in your house as well), not so many "people of colour" (not my words), petrol cost about 50p per gallon, never mind per litre, a husband would go home from work to find dinner on the table, house prices were in five figures, and the government wasn't interfering and micromanaging all the time, or trying to price you off the road. These people are "traumatised" by politicians such as Tony Blair, John "Two Jags" Prescott and Ken Livingstone making driving more and more expensive.

This golden age which the are dreaming of never existed. But Reform tries to appeal to those who "remember" such a time, hence rhetoric like "scrap net zero".

When Thatcher was elected, lots of people thought she was "a breath of fresh air", who would crush those striking lefty unions, among other things. Farage has openly said that Thatcher is his idol, and his followers are believing that he will have the same effect.

"This great country can be yours again," Farage says, "if you will kneel down and worship vote for me." And his supporters are lapping it up.

So what paper do you read?

I'm guessing you don't - With your head that far up your own derriere it would be difficult to look at the pictures...

Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 17:43

AnneOnAMoose · 09/09/2025 17:42

So what paper do you read?

I'm guessing you don't - With your head that far up your own derriere it would be difficult to look at the pictures...

😆 😆

scalt · 09/09/2025 17:54

I said “some people think”. I didn’t say “I think”.

AnneOnAMoose · 09/09/2025 18:06

scalt · 09/09/2025 17:54

I said “some people think”. I didn’t say “I think”.

Yes, but "you" made the assumption about people's choice of news outlet.

So come on - What's your preferred news outlet?

I bet it's the Financial times - So that fancy coloured paper it's printed on matches the decor or your 8 figure home.

Rallentanda · 09/09/2025 18:13

AnneOnAMoose · 08/09/2025 19:21

We never see our Conservative MP unless there's an election on the horizon.

"... He is fantastic at photo ops but he doesn't actually know how to do the nuts and bolts of political work...."

Same as all the others then.

Edited

This is all very right wing people ever say. Same as all the others.

it’s just so demonstrably untrue, it’s a fiction that’s told to make shit candidates palatable. My MP is fantastic. He’s helped me get things done, he listens to his constituents and canvasses for opinions. His voting record is on his website, and he’s present for votes. He is a hard worker from an unprivileged background and I have a lot of time for him.

EasternStandard · 09/09/2025 18:16

AnneOnAMoose · 09/09/2025 17:42

So what paper do you read?

I'm guessing you don't - With your head that far up your own derriere it would be difficult to look at the pictures...

Whilst the post you’re replying to had some effort this was a good response. I’m wondering too what the pp reads in terms of news

Aerom · 09/09/2025 18:24

They want to get rid of the NHS and have US style medical insurance. Do Reform supporters want to pay £000s for their medical treatment? If don't have insurance and break a leg which requires pinning - that's around $35.000 (£26.000). Suffered a stroke? That would be around $80,000 (£59,000). These are prices in the mid range when I researched the US prices.

Also Farage needs to go as he dodged £44k in stamp duty. Can't stand him and his BBC coverage of him.

MumOfManyAliases · 09/09/2025 18:49

Aerom · 09/09/2025 18:24

They want to get rid of the NHS and have US style medical insurance. Do Reform supporters want to pay £000s for their medical treatment? If don't have insurance and break a leg which requires pinning - that's around $35.000 (£26.000). Suffered a stroke? That would be around $80,000 (£59,000). These are prices in the mid range when I researched the US prices.

Also Farage needs to go as he dodged £44k in stamp duty. Can't stand him and his BBC coverage of him.

Absolute bollocks - They don’t want to get rid of the NHS. What they have done is said is that they’re committed to keeping it free at the point of delivery, but they’ve proposed major structural reforms involving private sector integration, tax incentives, and alternative funding mechanisms.

They’ve actually pledged an extra £17 billion per year for the NHS - more than offered by Labour, the Cons or Lib Dems and 20% tax relief on private healthcare and insurance- in order to help lighten the burden on the NHS. They are also going to introduce a voucher scheme so patients can choose private treat if NHS wait times are too long.

Nice try though…

AnneOnAMoose · 09/09/2025 19:12

Rallentanda · 09/09/2025 18:13

This is all very right wing people ever say. Same as all the others.

it’s just so demonstrably untrue, it’s a fiction that’s told to make shit candidates palatable. My MP is fantastic. He’s helped me get things done, he listens to his constituents and canvasses for opinions. His voting record is on his website, and he’s present for votes. He is a hard worker from an unprivileged background and I have a lot of time for him.

Maybe he does and maybe you do. I'm happy for you & your town, village or city.

But my local Conservative MP doesn't.

People in the town write / email and it either disappears into the abyss or gets a generic reply.

How does that make me "very right wing"?

My local MP only knows where this town is when it's voting season, or when a(nother) new housing estate needs someone to cut a ribbon.

By contrast, our local (Independent) Mayor is fantastic at getting things done.

AnneOnAMoose · 09/09/2025 19:21

Aerom · 09/09/2025 18:24

They want to get rid of the NHS and have US style medical insurance. Do Reform supporters want to pay £000s for their medical treatment? If don't have insurance and break a leg which requires pinning - that's around $35.000 (£26.000). Suffered a stroke? That would be around $80,000 (£59,000). These are prices in the mid range when I researched the US prices.

Also Farage needs to go as he dodged £44k in stamp duty. Can't stand him and his BBC coverage of him.

So have insurance then.

The cost of a basic level of medical insurance is probably comparable to that of the Tax & National Insurance portion that goes to the NHS from a National Minimum Wage earner.

Then you have the option of upgrading your insurance - So all those of a superior disposition wouldn't have to share a ward with us knuckle-dragging, thick, uncouth racists.

doubleshotcappuccino · 09/09/2025 19:21

fresh from the Daily Fail:

“A rookie Reform UK politician has been arrested by police on suspicion of stalking, harassment, public disorder and assault after allegedly triggering an extraordinary internal row at his local council.
Sam Journet was arrested at Basildon council's headquarters, where three officers detained him on Monday morning over the allegations.”