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To not see the appeal of Reform

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Reallyneedsaholiday · 01/09/2025 15:57

Sure, I can see the appeal of “reform” (with a lower case “r”), noone is under any illusion that the country is in a great way, at the moment, but not the appeal of the Reform political party. And I genuinely want to understand what it is that has so many people in thrall to them. All I’m hearing is “sToP tHE bOAtS”, but Reform will not do this, no matter what they are saying now. Simply returning anyone who arrives here on a boat, without following due process and considering their application, would see the country subjected to international sanctions, that we cannot afford. The only viable way to actually stop the boats, is to address why people are using them in the first place. WE have decreed that no one can apply from anywhere other than on our soil, and so have left them with little choice. France offered the opportunity to have a centre in Calais, Rwanda would have also worked, as a base where asylum seekers could apply without risking their lives on the channel. Those who are successful could be brought here safely, and anyone using unauthorised routes, could THEN be legally removed without appeal. It’s not a difficult solution, so you have to ask yourself “why” politicians turned down the opportunity. The only logical reason for this, is that they WANT the boats to continue. Again, you have to ask yourself “why”, and the reason for THAT is simply that they want the distraction, they need the scapegoat.
We’ve all seen the headlines, claiming that asylum seekers are living in the lap of luxury, with free phones etc, which is simply not true. Asylum seekers actually cost the country less than we lose through tax avoidance, every year.

But if we put immigration aside, as the distraction that it is, what appeals about Reform? I’ve asked many people and really struggle to find any Reform supporter who can even tell me what any of their policies are. Why are they so keen to sign away our human rights, leaving us to the whim of successive governments? Why are they so keen to introduce a private health care system (good luck getting any cover if your have any pre-existing medical conditions in your family)? Why are they so keen to introduce fracking? Or to scrap “net zero”? Tbh, I’m not completely sold on “net zero” myself, but overall, being more environmentally friendly strikes me as a positive move. Less pollution, less plastics, cleaner water, cheaper, safer energy etc, etc. you could scrap the title “net zero”, while keeping the important bits that would generally improve our quality of life, without throwing what we have achieved, to date, away.

I could go on, but I’d just like to ask anyone who is thinking of voting Reform, at the next opportunity, why? And how you see your own life improving IF they won a GE?

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Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 19:26

EasternStandard · 09/09/2025 18:16

Whilst the post you’re replying to had some effort this was a good response. I’m wondering too what the pp reads in terms of news

The Bible Guardian, of course.

Aerom · 09/09/2025 19:41

How many councillors have resigned? Obviously haven’t got a bloody clue. Reform should pay for the cost of the by elections out of their pockets which is around £20k and not from the normal funds

Rallentanda · 09/09/2025 20:13

AnneOnAMoose · 09/09/2025 19:12

Maybe he does and maybe you do. I'm happy for you & your town, village or city.

But my local Conservative MP doesn't.

People in the town write / email and it either disappears into the abyss or gets a generic reply.

How does that make me "very right wing"?

My local MP only knows where this town is when it's voting season, or when a(nother) new housing estate needs someone to cut a ribbon.

By contrast, our local (Independent) Mayor is fantastic at getting things done.

If you are voting Reform, then you’re very right wing.

BurntBroccoli · 09/09/2025 20:18

Barbadossunset · 08/09/2025 12:19

Migrants refused asylum in EU, come here because they know we have no idea of their asylum status, no more have access to Schengen databases.

As migrants destroy their identification how would having access to Schengen databases help?

Because we don’t have access to EURODAC which is a fingerprinting and biometric database. It wouldn’t matter if they didn’t have a passport if we hadn’t left the EU.

AnneOnAMoose · 09/09/2025 20:22

Rallentanda · 09/09/2025 20:13

If you are voting Reform, then you’re very right wing.

But we weren't discussing voting direction on that post.

I was being branded as "very right wing" just for making an honest observation about the effectiveness of my local MP.

AnneOnAMoose · 09/09/2025 20:39

BurntBroccoli · 09/09/2025 20:18

Because we don’t have access to EURODAC which is a fingerprinting and biometric database. It wouldn’t matter if they didn’t have a passport if we hadn’t left the EU.

But what difference does the database make?

If they are legitimate asylum seekers, recognised on the database - There must be a way for them to apply for a new passport whilst they are in that safe country.

Then, with their shiny new passport - Apply for asylum in the UK through the recognised legal channel, if that's what they want. And, if approved, arrive here by recognised means.

And if the database in whatever EU country they're in at the time, shows that they are not legitimate or has no record of them - they will not be able to apply for new documents. And so when they arrive here by small boat - no paperwork, no entry.

If they want to stay in an EU country - that's fine (if that country will have them).

If they want to come to a country outside of the EU - they have to abide by that country's rules & way of doing things - For us - No paperwork, no entry,

There are loads of other countries around the world that don't have access to the EU database - How do they manage illegal immigration?!

EasternStandard · 09/09/2025 20:52

BurntBroccoli · 09/09/2025 20:18

Because we don’t have access to EURODAC which is a fingerprinting and biometric database. It wouldn’t matter if they didn’t have a passport if we hadn’t left the EU.

How much difference does it make given many EU countries are struggling with the same issues? ROI, Germany, France, Spain, Greece. Either with difficulty dealing with high numbers or facing crime which causes a public reaction.

1one · 09/09/2025 21:30

Don't forget Austria, another EU country who are struggling. According to the Dublin Agreement Austria shouldn't be taking in many but they are swamped. Everything we complain about here in the UK, they suffer the same. I have friends out there.

Clavinova · 09/09/2025 22:00

BurntBroccoli · 09/09/2025 20:18

Because we don’t have access to EURODAC which is a fingerprinting and biometric database. It wouldn’t matter if they didn’t have a passport if we hadn’t left the EU.

I thought Eurodac only stored limited information at present (fingerprints, gender, registration country/number) - name, age, facial images, nationality are planned but not yet introduced (2029?)

MumOfManyAliases · 09/09/2025 22:19

doubleshotcappuccino · 09/09/2025 19:21

fresh from the Daily Fail:

“A rookie Reform UK politician has been arrested by police on suspicion of stalking, harassment, public disorder and assault after allegedly triggering an extraordinary internal row at his local council.
Sam Journet was arrested at Basildon council's headquarters, where three officers detained him on Monday morning over the allegations.”

It’s not exactly difficult to find equally disparaging articles about Labour MPs. And please - calling the Daily Mail “The Daily Fail” is just childish (and so overdone). Sure, someone could refer to a well-known left-leaning paper as “The Guffian,” but they don’t. Why? Because they don’t have to stoop to petty name-calling to make their point.

Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 22:34

MumOfManyAliases · 09/09/2025 22:19

It’s not exactly difficult to find equally disparaging articles about Labour MPs. And please - calling the Daily Mail “The Daily Fail” is just childish (and so overdone). Sure, someone could refer to a well-known left-leaning paper as “The Guffian,” but they don’t. Why? Because they don’t have to stoop to petty name-calling to make their point.

Love this 😆 🤣

AlertLimeZebra · 09/09/2025 22:36

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Bumblebee72 · 09/09/2025 22:37

Surely its not rocket science to understand in a country where housing is limited not letting an other 0.4-0.8m in every year is going to at least stop making access worse each year. The housing building might let us catch up with need.

NotMyNigelFarage · 09/09/2025 22:40

Might be worth reading a couple of the other recent threads about this, OP. There must be at least a dozen.

Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 22:40

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Knuckledragger, flagshagger, snake oil salesman - quite embarrassing from so called adults.

Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 22:41

NotMyNigelFarage · 09/09/2025 22:40

Might be worth reading a couple of the other recent threads about this, OP. There must be at least a dozen.

Hiya Nige 😆 🤣 😂 😹

Reallyneedsaholiday · 10/09/2025 00:14

AnneOnAMoose · 09/09/2025 20:39

But what difference does the database make?

If they are legitimate asylum seekers, recognised on the database - There must be a way for them to apply for a new passport whilst they are in that safe country.

Then, with their shiny new passport - Apply for asylum in the UK through the recognised legal channel, if that's what they want. And, if approved, arrive here by recognised means.

And if the database in whatever EU country they're in at the time, shows that they are not legitimate or has no record of them - they will not be able to apply for new documents. And so when they arrive here by small boat - no paperwork, no entry.

If they want to stay in an EU country - that's fine (if that country will have them).

If they want to come to a country outside of the EU - they have to abide by that country's rules & way of doing things - For us - No paperwork, no entry,

There are loads of other countries around the world that don't have access to the EU database - How do they manage illegal immigration?!

The point is that the UK do not allow asylum seekers to apply from anywhere except within the UK. This is what drives the demand for boats.

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Bulldogdays · 10/09/2025 02:09

Aerom · 09/09/2025 18:24

They want to get rid of the NHS and have US style medical insurance. Do Reform supporters want to pay £000s for their medical treatment? If don't have insurance and break a leg which requires pinning - that's around $35.000 (£26.000). Suffered a stroke? That would be around $80,000 (£59,000). These are prices in the mid range when I researched the US prices.

Also Farage needs to go as he dodged £44k in stamp duty. Can't stand him and his BBC coverage of him.

Do you not think conservatives were going to do the same ??
Many Labour back benchers take donations from private health care firms ..so if it ever came to a vote , obvious which way they would go .
The NHS is on its knees ,sad to say it ,but the amount of pressure on NHS means it's going to have to change to more forward with demand
That's either in 4 years with reform or 4 years with conservatives

Bulldogdays · 10/09/2025 02:11

Bumblebee72 · 09/09/2025 22:37

Surely its not rocket science to understand in a country where housing is limited not letting an other 0.4-0.8m in every year is going to at least stop making access worse each year. The housing building might let us catch up with need.

You would think wouldn't you ..
But it's racist to not want to house the whole world ...well if you live in UK it is .

doubleshotcappuccino · 10/09/2025 05:17

MumOfManyAliases · 09/09/2025 22:19

It’s not exactly difficult to find equally disparaging articles about Labour MPs. And please - calling the Daily Mail “The Daily Fail” is just childish (and so overdone). Sure, someone could refer to a well-known left-leaning paper as “The Guffian,” but they don’t. Why? Because they don’t have to stoop to petty name-calling to make their point.

I think those on the far right might take first prize in name calling. Interesting that you choose to comment on such a minor point and completely ignore the main issue of concern here

TeenagersAngst · 10/09/2025 06:46

Aerom · 09/09/2025 18:24

They want to get rid of the NHS and have US style medical insurance. Do Reform supporters want to pay £000s for their medical treatment? If don't have insurance and break a leg which requires pinning - that's around $35.000 (£26.000). Suffered a stroke? That would be around $80,000 (£59,000). These are prices in the mid range when I researched the US prices.

Also Farage needs to go as he dodged £44k in stamp duty. Can't stand him and his BBC coverage of him.

Why do people keep saying this? I saw Zia Yusuf asked this very question the other day and he said Reform pledge to keep the NHS free at the point of use but that in its current framework it’s unsustainable.

Where are you getting your misinformation from?

doubleshotcappuccino · 10/09/2025 07:15

Yet to see one articulate post in support of Reform which is based on any real fact. I will meet immigrants today, every one of them skilled, every one of them working. I wish I could say the same for those who blame them for being here. The flag idiocy will blow over, but what is really alarming is to have an insight on a group of people do nothing to help themselves but have only energy to hate. What must it be like to be a child in that house. One positive action that has come about as a result of all of this is I realise I’ve got to do something to protect the most vunerable in my community. So thank you reform - you’ve made me realise I don’t want to be like you …off to work now- enjoy your day painting roundabouts .

MumOfManyAliases · 10/09/2025 07:25

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Yep, they’re very good at name calling when they have nothing better to say, aren’t they!

MumOfManyAliases · 10/09/2025 07:32

doubleshotcappuccino · 10/09/2025 05:17

I think those on the far right might take first prize in name calling. Interesting that you choose to comment on such a minor point and completely ignore the main issue of concern here

I have made other posts on this thread - including one in response to a post that made the inaccurate claim that Reform are going to scrap the NHS…

Alexandra2001 · 10/09/2025 08:24

MumOfManyAliases · 10/09/2025 07:32

I have made other posts on this thread - including one in response to a post that made the inaccurate claim that Reform are going to scrap the NHS…

He wants to have another funding model, so if not from general taxation.... its insurance, so additional costs.
He says France does it much better... they pay far more in tax, as does Germany on health.

The NHS would no longer be the NHS if funded totally differently & who is prepared to pay more?

Plus unless he has a lot more than 30% of the vote, he has no mandate to scrap the NHS.

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