To think that Brooklyn Beckham

[Thomasina79]

Is one spoilt entitled brat who has broken his parents hearts, not that I am a great fan of the Beckhams, at least they have worked all their lives and would not betray their parents!

...how much is VB being astute or is it management.
A top level footballer and a world famous popstar would be an agent or managers dream. Are they astute or just taking advantage of (at that time - late 1990s) everyone wanting to tie in with them, and taking the opportunities offered? Magazines had obviously a lot more influence in those days and the whole wedding edition, Vera Wang dress etc. Did they sit down on thrones and work out what would sell more copies, or were they offered a designer dress, a 20 page spread etc

She's started the fashion brand, and the clothes havent been a success in terms of profit, but the make up has been a lot more so....coincidence or her business acumen?

Katie Price was (previously) often referred to as a clever and astute businesswoman. Obviously things have not worked out for her (understatement) ....but how much is it the celeb themselves calling the shots and making judgements, or just taking advantage of sponsorships/brand opportunities when they are offered....?

I just feel sorry for him.

I remember him as a baby being carried through a paparazzi mob and his little face looked distressed. And wasn't it him in the documentary ( I only half watched it while ironing because I couldn't find much else) who they had to calm down when driving through crowds in Spain?

I'm sure he'd have been better off at home sitting on an Argos beanbag watching Night Garden than being at whatever event he was being toted along to.

Yes, lots of people have had hard lives - even much, much harder. But compassion needn't be in short supply.

I can tell you if I'd been born into the media circus that is the Beckham's "private" life, I'd have traded places in a flash. I think all the children have come through it relatively unscathed when considered in context.

I suspect neither of his parents are especially easy-going.

I would add to my post above that I think VB and DB have probably genuinely tried to be perfect parents; they both seem to have a strong maternal/paternal side.

And we all get it a bit wrong.

But there were just pressures there to contend with that I think will have meant it was so much harder to bring them through a "normal" childhood. Remember all that Rebecca Loos stuff? Yes, lots of children cope with actual or alleged infidelity. But there aren't photographers waiting to snap so the public can assess every gesture and expression on your faces for the next 6 months. I still remember the photos of them arriving at that chalet in the wake of it and the photos of DB piggybacking VB inside. I remember feeling so sorry for her: it was either a genuinely intimate moment intruded upon, or a monumental effort on her part to kind of stage it. Most women wouldn't have felt like touching him at that moment ... whatever the truth or otherwise in it all. But those aren't normal family pressures.

I would add to my post above that I think VB and DB have probably genuinely tried to be perfect parents; they both seem to have a strong maternal/paternal side.
Yes I don't think but they have genuinely gone out to make their kids miserable and useless. I think they thought that they would try and make their lives as ready as possible by giving them an easy way into a celeb career and enabling them as much as possible. I think in the way 'influencers' put their kids faces online all the time. They see the downsides but think they are maybe worth it because of the money/ freebies will make their DC's happier. Then the free playmobil castle they got when they were 2 doesn't really cut it when their toddler tantrum is all over the Internet 20 years later! Otoh Peter Andre's did has a really show based on I don't know what?! So it seems to have paid off for them!

I agree that I think the desire to be in the public eye - and have your children in it - is quite short-sighted and immature in many ways.

I suppose it is a balancing act in that keeping them below the radar can also create interest.

But whatever is the better course, I still feel sorry for Brooklyn. There are lots of people his age who haven't found their niche but they aren't all ridiculed as useless. To be honest many people never get their life perfectly on track but it simply goes unnoticed. Almost certainly some of the more vicious posts on here are probably typed by fingers belonging to those we could find plenty of fault with if only all was laid bare in the same way.

I saw 15 mins or so of Princess Andre's programme the other day. I feel very sorry for her. This is what her parents have given her 'you are a commondity, monetise every area of your life'. That is not enough for anyone. Poor girl. She doesnt seem happy. It's very depressing. I feel sorry for Brooklyn too.

I do wonder what they think about their dad's younger kids being kept private ( presumably because the mum doesn't give permission) and what a contrast there will be between the siblings.

Why do you care? I am not interested in the lives of famous or wealthy people. Some newspapers and magazines print this tittle tattle in an effort to make more profit. We don’t even know if any of it is true.

And as always people say "you clicked on a thread, clearly about tittle tattle on lives of famous or wealthy people."

So, you are interested

My issue with BB is his attitude.

“I’m a professional photographer now, here’s my book”

“I’m a professional chef now - here’s my recipe”

He decides he is X, Y and Z with absolutely no effort or work to back it up, it’s like me going on Facebook and saying “Right, I’m a professional chef now, look at my recipe for a cheese toastie”. Id be laughed at and rightly so. If he actually went to culinary school and put the work in he wouldn’t get all the shit that he gets. It’s the fact that he’s so self entitled he thinks he can just decide to be whatever he wants to be.

Ill never forget the time he was stopped in that sports car and asked what he does for a living to afford such a car - he said “I’m a professional chef” 🤦‍♀️ no Brooklyn, you re really not. You’re the offspring of rich parents, that’s it. At least own it.

People give him air time though which doesn't help I watched something on you tube he was some American breakfast show making something like an bacon and egg sandwich and they were fawning all over him like he had created some culinary master piece that won't help his ego.

That kind of fawning denial made Donald Trump, someone tell him the truth. It'snot great BB, shape up or shut up.

There's similarities to the Royal family in that it's very difficult when one of your inmates escape.
The Beckham family seemed like a very claustrophobic little unit and he's scented freedom

Ok I’ve just seen his pasta sauce “recipe” on Instagram. I’m now convinced he’s on the wind up. I know he’s a bit dim but surely to god he can’t be that daft?!

Although I think there have been some really unkind and unnecessary comments on this thread, and overall I feel a bit sorry for him, this post isn't entirely unfair.

Goes to show how calmy making a point without name-calling can be more convincing than all the abuse ...

When I see BB doing whatever with food, he cropped up on tv recently, I wonder what Ramsay thinks. He's always bawling out cooks who can't cook. It cannot have gone unnoticed and surely, if cooking had been on BB's career agenda, a word of advice would have been offered? Puzzling.

They can't just accept their kids are just ordinary they have to make out they are talented in some way
It's like they might express in an interest in something and the next thing you know it's reported thst they are next big thing in Photography, cooking etc
Rather thsn just allowing them to develop any talents they might have

Perhaps it's because that's how their later success came about. They believe their own hype. Since becoming brand Beckham they've been successful in all their endeavours just because of who they are and their fame. Perhaps they thought the same thing would happen to their children if they made them famous by putting their lives in the spotlight.

There was a bit of this with that clip of Cruz singing. It was very sweet of course, in the way that young children singing usually is, and it wasn't that he COULDN'T sing at all, but in terms of rare ability, the expression "dime a dozen" also springs to mind.

This is very much how I feel. Echoing the excellent post above by @Odonje, the future for kids made famous from an early age by merely 'being famous' or social media feels very precarious and empty. Second generation fame still needs some talent and hard work. Our kids are all now supposedly taught about growth mindset (if you fail, keep going) but at the same time are growing up in a world of instant gratification and, in Brooklyn's case, enough money to access most opportunities he wants without working to get them.

It takes a very strong person to push back against a lot of this and I really don't think the Beckham parents see it as a problem. They've already registered Harper as a brand in various places.

Even before now, we've seen what happens to people who can't sustain fame or talent and have nothing to fall back on. Footballers on retirement for example often famously struggle to find a niche if they don't go into coaching or management. Alcoholism and depression is rife.

Doing something 'normal' when you're using to constant exposure must feel very unappealing if you've been brought up with it but I can't help thinking being run of the mill with a vast amount of money to live off sounds far more appealing than constantly chasing fame through (let's face it) ridicule at this point. It's quite right that millions of people are laughing at Brooklyn struggling to find a niche but it's also not helpful that he leans so quickly into the idea that he's got to the top in whatever he's trying out.

I admire VB, she's very ambitious clearly. What puzzles me is that she and others like her, who are fortunate enough to have a great deal of money, don't prioritise cultural development, a classical education/the academics or second language acquisition etc for their children. Some I know from ordinary backgrounds who have inherited, married into or made a great deal of money have begun to rub shoulders with those who had cultural capital growing up, the upper middle classes if you like. Those who know about art, ballet, opera etc. Those who are not necessarily intellectual giants but who are intellectually curious. I'd want to nurture that seed in my children and imagine all you could do, and some indeed do, when you have their sort of resources. Possibly Geri Halliwell has headed in that direction with her own children (?)

Necessity is the mother of invention.
He never actually HAD to work or find something he excelled at.

I guess his parents did their best

I agree with this! Compare Brooklyn Beckham to Rocco Ritchie .... poles apart. Rocco is a talented artist who exhibited under an assumed name till he got some independent success.... no doubt aided by his parents' connections and money, but he nonetheless did it leveraging the great advantages he had. Unfortunately Madonnas other children dont seem to have done this - Lourdes seems to be famous for nothing more than wearing as few clothes as possible, so maybe this was Guy Ritchie's influence.

after what came out last night you have to wonder if his parents were worried about how useless he was and they were trying to protect him? I mean the kid has nothing going for him so maybe they thought he needed brand beckham?

Let’s face it, without brand beckham he’d be a nobody. He’s not done a thing for himself since he became an adult.

I think he’s had success with his sauce using his father’s football number in honour of him etc.

As I reflect is this a case of Disney Dad? Is Goldenballs on a pedestal? Why can’t David help with endangered dogs or Nelson Peltz.