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Is anyone better off since Labour

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Luckymum20 · 26/08/2025 20:26

I am not just talking financially but feeling optimistic about the future for children, old age.

With the £22 billion debt now pasing £50 billion.

The increase in Council tax (that they said the wouldn't do). OAPs raid on pensions and no Winter fuel relief. Changes to finance regarding care homes. Utilities up. TV licence up. Food costs up...

I know minimum wage has increased but all costs have increased by a greater amount!

In 2021 minimum wage was almost 30% lower than it is now...

So I ask. Is anyone actually feeling better off, optimistic and pleased with this Government.

Also the October budget of likely to bring more stains on the 'average working man"

YABU - change will happen. It a good thing.

YANBU - not good

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Allisnotlost1 · 29/08/2025 16:25

healthadvice123 · 29/08/2025 15:49

Where though would they house them ? I think in my area approx 12000 people were on local council housing list in one year and approx 1000 odd homes became available ? This is not one of the higher homeless areas , These will be people from all walks of life , nationalities etc. the issue is they do need to address the numbers as well long term, they can’t magic up houses otherwise we wouldn’t have such a housing crisis already

Who said anything about houses? The German model is to provide communal living with services and activities on site. There are half ready sites around the country, some would need a bit of investment but they exist.

Speeding up decisions would also reduce the number of people needing asylum support.

Yes, in the long-term there are questions about housing but that’s a wider issue and regardless of whether people are in hotels or not.

MumOfManyAliases · 29/08/2025 16:30

Alexandra2001 · 29/08/2025 14:51

How do you feel that Labour have ended the week on a win?

How do you feel now that Labour is 16 points behind reform on the poll below, just over a year after winning the election? Would you like me to send you a message of commiserations when their popularity drops even further after the Autumn budget statement?

Is anyone better off since Labour
BIossomtoes · 29/08/2025 16:35

Polls at this point are as relevant and reliable as a four year weather forecast. Don’t count your chickens. Thatcher was wildly unpopular a year into her first term, she won two more elections after that.

healthadvice123 · 29/08/2025 17:06

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2025 16:35

Polls at this point are as relevant and reliable as a four year weather forecast. Don’t count your chickens. Thatcher was wildly unpopular a year into her first term, she won two more elections after that.

where are you to not hear whats happening around you as well, not just the polls

MumOfManyAliases · 29/08/2025 17:07

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2025 16:35

Polls at this point are as relevant and reliable as a four year weather forecast. Don’t count your chickens. Thatcher was wildly unpopular a year into her first term, she won two more elections after that.

Polls aren’t four-year weather forecasts, they’re snapshots of where voters stand right now - and right now the gap is real. Thatcher’s comeback was in a totally different era with a fractured opposition. Today’s voters are less loyal and swing harder. Ignoring the numbers isn’t realism, it’s wishful thinking.

healthadvice123 · 29/08/2025 17:08

Allisnotlost1 · 29/08/2025 16:25

Who said anything about houses? The German model is to provide communal living with services and activities on site. There are half ready sites around the country, some would need a bit of investment but they exist.

Speeding up decisions would also reduce the number of people needing asylum support.

Yes, in the long-term there are questions about housing but that’s a wider issue and regardless of whether people are in hotels or not.

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Didn’t we have that once before - ex army barracks etc and they were forced to shut. germany prob not the best example as they are struggling with it too

healthadvice123 · 29/08/2025 17:09

I think some people here live in a little suburban bubble and cannot see the wood for the trees

NoKidsSendDogs · 29/08/2025 17:24

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2025 16:35

Polls at this point are as relevant and reliable as a four year weather forecast. Don’t count your chickens. Thatcher was wildly unpopular a year into her first term, she won two more elections after that.

Ugh, Thatcher was a cunt.

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2025 17:25

NoKidsSendDogs · 29/08/2025 17:24

Ugh, Thatcher was a cunt.

I won’t argue with you there.

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2025 17:32

MumOfManyAliases · 29/08/2025 17:07

Polls aren’t four-year weather forecasts, they’re snapshots of where voters stand right now - and right now the gap is real. Thatcher’s comeback was in a totally different era with a fractured opposition. Today’s voters are less loyal and swing harder. Ignoring the numbers isn’t realism, it’s wishful thinking.

It’s realism. I know this is very hard for someone hellbent on a Reform government but there’s 46 months before the next general election. Current polls aren’t worth the pixels on the screen because, as you say today’s voters are more volatile and today’s opposition couldn’t be more fractured. The official opposition is the most ineffectual I can ever remember. I’ll start paying attention to the polls around January 2029. Currently they’re worthless.

Goldenbear · 29/08/2025 17:32

healthadvice123 · 29/08/2025 16:14

But what is there average wage , average house cost etc
its all about disposable income really , if i pay 50% tax but still have £2000 to spend after bills etc then im better off than someone paying 20% but only having £1000 left. Denmark does not have a huge social/ welfare bill, benefits etc or as large a number of immigration , you can’t compare some countries against another when not comparable , unless you shift your similar policies as well

You don't need to tell me about Denmark, I have Danish family but thanks for trying to educate me on something you don't really know anything about.

Goldenbear · 29/08/2025 17:34

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2025 17:32

It’s realism. I know this is very hard for someone hellbent on a Reform government but there’s 46 months before the next general election. Current polls aren’t worth the pixels on the screen because, as you say today’s voters are more volatile and today’s opposition couldn’t be more fractured. The official opposition is the most ineffectual I can ever remember. I’ll start paying attention to the polls around January 2029. Currently they’re worthless.

Yes, it's crystal ball territory!

Allisnotlost1 · 29/08/2025 17:37

healthadvice123 · 29/08/2025 17:08

Didn’t we have that once before - ex army barracks etc and they were forced to shut. germany prob not the best example as they are struggling with it too

The previous government did an expensive but strangely pound shop version yes, which they didn’t resource or manage properly - hence them being prevented from using.

Germany has twice as many asylum applicants as the UK, so yes there’s a few reasons they’re not the ideal comparison.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 29/08/2025 17:38

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2025 17:32

It’s realism. I know this is very hard for someone hellbent on a Reform government but there’s 46 months before the next general election. Current polls aren’t worth the pixels on the screen because, as you say today’s voters are more volatile and today’s opposition couldn’t be more fractured. The official opposition is the most ineffectual I can ever remember. I’ll start paying attention to the polls around January 2029. Currently they’re worthless.

Interesting view. Do you not see any value in gauging the electorate’s opinions until the year of an election, even if you could find one that was positive towards Labour (you won’t, so theoretically )?

Allisnotlost1 · 29/08/2025 17:44

Devonmaid1844 · 29/08/2025 15:58

Please back this up with something as it's absolutely ludicrous

I asked the same question but whatever response I got was removed by MNHQ before I read it. I’m still curious.

TheNuthatch · 29/08/2025 17:59

Goldenbear · 29/08/2025 17:34

Yes, it's crystal ball territory!

Do you agree that current polling affects government decisions?

Tryingtokeepgoing · 29/08/2025 18:02

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2025 16:35

Polls at this point are as relevant and reliable as a four year weather forecast. Don’t count your chickens. Thatcher was wildly unpopular a year into her first term, she won two more elections after that.

I agree, that makes sense…if the unpopularity was forseen as part a plan to get all of the bad news out early. And whether you agreed with what her vision was or not, one can’t deny that Thatcher had a clear vision of what she wanted to achieve and,more importantly, had a team and a plan to deliver it. Much as Bliar did in ‘97.

The difference this time is that there is no end in sight to the bad news. And little hope of any good news in the next couple of years, which is all they’ve got before we are into the pre election cycle again. And that’s because they came into power without a real plan, or any policies. Policy is being made up on the fly.

We are approaching the chancellors second budget in a worse place than for the first, the causes of which are almost all self inflicted. They are doing it having lost the self claimed moral high ground with their embarrassing levels of cronyism. But also having lost any shred of financial competence in either their own affairs or those of the country, all while willing if not downright eager to take bribes, sorry, gifts and freebies.

And then there’s the small matter of announcing a raft of ‘one time’ increases in tax that would definitely not be repeated, without foreseeing the destruction of any prospects of growth. And yet here we are, staring down the barrel of another £60 billion of either tax rises or spending cuts. So far the cuts have been watered down so much they are just a rounding, and the changes to VAT and CGT have raised almost nothing…indeed, in the case of VAT caused a net outflow.

Granted the Trump effect hasn’t helped, but the Government’s approach to that unravelled almost has fast as the glory of what a good deal they’d done was trumpeted. We have another couple of years of a capricious and lunatic Trump, and our Government doesn’t know how to handle him. Now, anyone would have a tough job…but you only have to look at how Carney or Modi has dealt with him to see what could be done. We’ve got Starmer, who has no position on anything and blows with the wind, and Mandleson. So aren’t we lucky!

The Government decries, quite rightly, the rabble raising populist approach of Farage, ignoring the fact that their approach to the election was also a populist one. Pledging that the electorate could have everything, that it won’t cost any more and taxes definitely won’t rise, and that they’d be a serious government doing serious things. Now they are in power their lack of preparedness is laid bare, and they are upset that the populism has swung away from them to another bunch of untrustworthy politicians. Like all politicians, they hate not being in the limelight…a bit like actors ;)

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2025 18:10

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 29/08/2025 17:38

Interesting view. Do you not see any value in gauging the electorate’s opinions until the year of an election, even if you could find one that was positive towards Labour (you won’t, so theoretically )?

I don’t give a shit which party is top of the polls at this juncture. They’re irrelevant. How many times do I need to say this in words of one syllable?

twistyizzy · 29/08/2025 18:21

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2025 18:10

I don’t give a shit which party is top of the polls at this juncture. They’re irrelevant. How many times do I need to say this in words of one syllable?

If Labour were leading the polls would you still say that? Or would you say "see most people are happy with them"? You would take them leading the polls as a sign they were doing well, but you won't accept the opposite?

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 29/08/2025 18:23

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2025 18:10

I don’t give a shit which party is top of the polls at this juncture. They’re irrelevant. How many times do I need to say this in words of one syllable?

Ok, that wasn’t really the question but I can see this is a little upsetting for you so so won’t push it.

EmpressoftheMundane · 29/08/2025 18:30

I think it’s true, a lot could change in four years. It’s premature to call the next election.

What should concern Labour is that they don’t have any clear plans that will make a majority of voters happy. They are putting disproportionate burdens on a minority- they could survive that, while at the same time, not being able to make much difference to the majority.

So one group is really disaffected and the other group is meh. The true believers is the smallest group of all. It’s not an election winning formula.

smallpinecone · 29/08/2025 18:36

healthadvice123 · 29/08/2025 16:10

Then why are people on the register in the thousands waiting to be housed , many living in sub standard expensive private housing. This is where he lets himself down massively as he is not in touch with the real people. I know several families on the housing list, one pregnant person sofa sofa surfing whilst bidding for anything thats comes up but getting nowhere. We have a huge social housing shortage

Because those people don’t matter as much to him; he doesn’t see their needs as paramount. There’s Labour voters that this thread that would probably agree that in a hierarchy of need, those people rank below the refugee and asylum seeker. We can’t house everyone, but Labour are willing to prioritise them and give them better living conditions in hotels than many average people in sub-par rentals can afford for themselves. Add in half-price electric bikes and discounted leisure facilities/activities to sweeten the deal.

Alexandra2001 · 29/08/2025 18:38

twistyizzy · 29/08/2025 18:21

If Labour were leading the polls would you still say that? Or would you say "see most people are happy with them"? You would take them leading the polls as a sign they were doing well, but you won't accept the opposite?

The biggest problem for the country isn't so much the polling, its that the next GE could be won on approx 30% of the voting electorate.

I believe Labour won this time on 34% but got a landslide of MPs

So if Reform win on that, they'll be around 70% of voters who hate them & feel totally unrepresented.... happy times on MN !

To ans your question, 30% in the polls, which Reform have, is historically awful, applies to Labour or whoever, FPTP only works in a 2 party system.

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2025 18:39

twistyizzy · 29/08/2025 18:21

If Labour were leading the polls would you still say that? Or would you say "see most people are happy with them"? You would take them leading the polls as a sign they were doing well, but you won't accept the opposite?

I would still say it. Is that clear enough? Because I genuinely can’t make it any plainer for you.

Alexandra2001 · 29/08/2025 18:43

smallpinecone · 29/08/2025 18:36

Because those people don’t matter as much to him; he doesn’t see their needs as paramount. There’s Labour voters that this thread that would probably agree that in a hierarchy of need, those people rank below the refugee and asylum seeker. We can’t house everyone, but Labour are willing to prioritise them and give them better living conditions in hotels than many average people in sub-par rentals can afford for themselves. Add in half-price electric bikes and discounted leisure facilities/activities to sweeten the deal.

Not me, we can offer sanctuary without kicking people here in the teeth.

I mean, Balloon therapy?? many other such jobs, wtf is that about? apparently contractually the companies have to provide these sorts of things... contracts signed by the Tories, as are the hotels they are in.

So pls stop blaming Labour for these things or their supporters, you guys did it all, starting with Brexit.

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