Is anyone better off since Labour

[Luckymum20]

I am not just talking financially but feeling optimistic about the future for children, old age.

With the £22 billion debt now pasing £50 billion.

The increase in Council tax (that they said the wouldn't do). OAPs raid on pensions and no Winter fuel relief. Changes to finance regarding care homes. Utilities up. TV licence up. Food costs up...

I know minimum wage has increased but all costs have increased by a greater amount!

In 2021 minimum wage was almost 30% lower than it is now...

So I ask. Is anyone actually feeling better off, optimistic and pleased with this Government.

Also the October budget of likely to bring more stains on the 'average working man"

YABU - change will happen. It a good thing.

YANBU - not good

Commiserations

Why did you have a post removed by MNHQ earlier on?

It appears to me that there is a false underlying assumption that Labour has which makes them stumble into self defeating decisions.

That assumption is that the total economic output is a fixed amount. So the focus should be how to divide it up and who deserves to be prioritised.

It drives all these daft taxes that are dragging our economy down. I believe the economists who explain that our taxes, regulations, investments and level of education determine how robust the economy will be.

Illustrative example: VAT on school fees

• Traditional Leftist view is that we are in a zero sum game for a fixed set of “good jobs”. If your child gets a relatively better education than my child, my child will be disadvantaged in a Hunger Games style job market
• Traditional Free Market view is that a country is a team, we rise and fall together. A better educated peer group will create new businesses, breakthroughs in tech etc. which will create a job market with richer opportunities for everyone, even those relatively poorer educations.

How do you feel that Labour have ended the week on a win?

Why do you insist on ‘answering’ a question with a question?

The Epping decision is not a win, it's a terrible look for the government. It will help Reform though.

It’s a Legal win that allows them to continue plodding along with a strategy that is killing them politically.

I think further down the line Labour will not be regarding this as a win.

Was it very independent though ?

The economy is doing pretty much what is has been since Brexit, so if the criticism is Labour, what did the Tories do?

They had a technical recession in 2022, yes they had some growth pre GE but so have Labour in the last quarter, pretty much matching last years Q1 growth.

Take that up with the pp?

Will definitely help Reform.

Was what independent?

I think that this is just the beginning of Labour’s woes on the subject of immigration - there is evidently genuine concern out there, and Starmer is not exactly great at listening to the mood music.

Yep. This decision has created the opportunity for a narrative of Labour vs The People. A gift for the opposition.

You seek to gloss over sticky inflation, almost zero growth, low productivity, high youth unemployment, a growing budget deficit, high post-war taxation, rising unemployment etc.

This falls squarely on Labour.

YouGov

The public think the UK is in a bad state, is worse than it was ten years ago, and will get worse still over the next year

Fully 82% of Britons consider the UK to be in a bad state, including 36% who see the country as being in a “very bad” state. Only 14% think the UK is in good health, with just 1% proclaiming it to be in a “very good” state.
Three quarters of the public say the country is in a worse place now than it was 10 years ago (75%), and most Britons likewise expect conditions to deteriorate over the coming 12 months (60%).

The incumbents will be the ones who get punished…

Have to agree. They didn’t deserve to win, the Home Office (and I blame the civil servants and lawyers more than the Home Sec) have created this mess over multiple Home Secs and didn’t react quickly enough to the case in the first place. A legal bar to housing people in hotels would have forced a better system. It doesn’t mean deporting everyone (sorry Nige) but actually providing a suitable location and facilities for people.

Where though would they house them ? I think in my area approx 12000 people were on local council housing list in one year and approx 1000 odd homes became available ? This is not one of the higher homeless areas , These will be people from all walks of life , nationalities etc. the issue is they do need to address the numbers as well long term, they can’t magic up houses otherwise we wouldn’t have such a housing crisis already

You can have an entrepreneurial economy and have high taxes, it works in Denmark. High taxes don't destroy motivation to work there.

Please back this up with something as it's absolutely ludicrous

According to Starmer last month, there is lots of social housing that can be used 🙄.
https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1947303901771784295

Then why are people on the register in the thousands waiting to be housed , many living in sub standard expensive private housing. This is where he lets himself down massively as he is not in touch with the real people. I know several families on the housing list, one pregnant person sofa sofa surfing whilst bidding for anything thats comes up but getting nowhere. We have a huge social housing shortage

Good

But what is there average wage , average house cost etc
its all about disposable income really , if i pay 50% tax but still have £2000 to spend after bills etc then im better off than someone paying 20% but only having £1000 left. Denmark does not have a huge social/ welfare bill, benefits etc or as large a number of immigration , you can’t compare some countries against another when not comparable , unless you shift your similar policies as well