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To ask if you'll be attending the anti fascism protest on 13 September

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Whatafustercluck · 26/08/2025 18:44

I'd like to go in solidarity with like minded people, but worry about it turning violent. I won't be taking my children and will likely be going alone. Lots of people I know detest Tommy Robinson but will stay away due to the likelihood of trouble, but I really want to help send a message that racism and hatred won't win. Is anyone here considering going, or decided to stay away?

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awkwardasfuck · 26/08/2025 23:35

Appalonia · 26/08/2025 23:31

Jordan Peterson will be one of the speakers at this event for free speech. So is he a 'fascist ' too? My God, you people are brainwashed idiots, and you have no idea what you are protesting against or for...

🤣🤣🤣

PerkingFaintly · 26/08/2025 23:47

Oh dear, is Yaxley-Lennon having another of his "Free Speech But Not Really" rallies?

I'd rather it didn't turn out like one of his previous:
https://x.com/lucymarionbrown/status/1806122119329120436?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

TL;DR it was suggested he invite a Muslim speaker to show he really did mean free speech; some of his supporters got the hump at this so he cancelled the speaker last minute (who turned up anyway, not knowing about the cancellation, and got beaten up by some of Yaxley-Lennon's supporters). Mr Yaxley "Free Speech" Lennon then lied and claimed he hadn't invited the Muslim speaker in the first place and blamed one of his female assistants – who then got rape threats from Yaxley-Lennon fans.

Appalonia · 26/08/2025 23:51

Thing is, if you're going to call respected university professors ' fascists', the word loses all meaning. Once upon a time, free speech was a core value of the left. Now they just seem to want to shut down all debate on things they deem unacceptable. That's no way to run a democracy. You want Reform to win the next election? Just carry on the way you're going and see what happens...

Flomingho · 26/08/2025 23:55

I live too far away. However, I would definately be there to show my support if I could.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 26/08/2025 23:56

Appalonia · 26/08/2025 23:51

Thing is, if you're going to call respected university professors ' fascists', the word loses all meaning. Once upon a time, free speech was a core value of the left. Now they just seem to want to shut down all debate on things they deem unacceptable. That's no way to run a democracy. You want Reform to win the next election? Just carry on the way you're going and see what happens...

In your opinion, what should the left do if they want to win the next election?

PerkingFaintly · 26/08/2025 23:58

Jordan Peterson has VERY odd ideas about women (if you've ever read his stuff).

But the poster above was describing Stephen Yaxley-Lennon aka Tommy Robinson as a fascist.

hotelinfo · 27/08/2025 00:07

OP - "I'D RATHER WALK WITH SMUGS THAN THUGS!"

Brilliant!!

I hadn't heard of this protest but now I think we'll go with this on a banner.

Fancyachangefromitall · 27/08/2025 00:10

Jumpingthruhoops · 26/08/2025 23:02

Why can't those who support open borders simply take in one of the hotel residents themselves? Surely that would solve the problem overnight?

Absolutely…. Those who are for open borders should be made pay extra taxes to fund them being here.

RabbitintheHeadLamps · 27/08/2025 00:11

mumofoneAloneandwell · 26/08/2025 20:18

Amazing of you to go, things are getting so bad, especially with these flags everywhere

The bbc are reporting on farage's 'sending illegal migrants home' plan as though its a possibility he will be in power!!! Terrifying x

They’re the largest party in the polls in terms
of vote share and all of the constituency by constituency polls I’ve seen put them as the largest party in the next parliament. There is nothing that I can see happening that is going to prevent that, unfortunately.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 27/08/2025 00:17

RabbitintheHeadLamps · 27/08/2025 00:11

They’re the largest party in the polls in terms
of vote share and all of the constituency by constituency polls I’ve seen put them as the largest party in the next parliament. There is nothing that I can see happening that is going to prevent that, unfortunately.

Edited

What if they don't win over 300 seats or Farage doesn't get reelected? What if people change their minds by 2029? Are you absolutely sure that you can't see anything preventing a Reform government?

FOJN · 27/08/2025 00:18

hotelinfo · 27/08/2025 00:07

OP - "I'D RATHER WALK WITH SMUGS THAN THUGS!"

Brilliant!!

I hadn't heard of this protest but now I think we'll go with this on a banner.

Don't let the name Antifa fool you. They are every bit as bad as any of the thugs who may turn up on the TR side. I don't think I've seen Anitfa attend anything where they haven't started violence. Good luck if you do decide to go.

hotelinfo · 27/08/2025 00:19

Lol at the idea that TR supporters are suddenly conscientious tax payers.

Ask TR how much a stint in prison costs the taxpayer?

Beeinalily · 27/08/2025 00:23

There's nobody as fascist as the anti fascists.

augustusglupe · 27/08/2025 00:26

Dappy777 · 26/08/2025 22:13

No. By fascists I assume you mean people who oppose mass immigration. That doesn’t make you a fascist. It’s a perfectly rational position to hold. Multiculturalism and mass immigration have been IMPOSED on this country, and have destroyed people’s sense of identity. No one asked for it and no one voted for it. Now that’s fascism.

I don’t know how the left have got the nerve to call people like Tommy Robinson a fascist. No one on earth is more dictatorial, intolerant or hate-filled than those on the left. I have never met such horrible, spiteful people. If you do attend, be careful. The levels of smugness could become suffocating.

Spot on!! 👏🏻

Agrumpyknitter · 27/08/2025 00:47

JollyUmberDeer · 26/08/2025 21:46

OP, I suspect you know that you’re not protesting against fascists. Because your costume signalling suggests you wouldn’t be brave enough to put your head above the parapet if it was actual fascists.

You know that what you dislike is people who want some controls on immigration and especially illegal immigration. So actually you want to have a day out in celebration of open borders. Why not just say that.

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You do realise Farage caused this with Brexit? He lies all the time, the 350 million a week for the NHS didn’t materialise and he’s going to get rid of the NHS.
Getting rid of the NHS will impact everyone, do you have extra money lying around to pay more bills?
Farage voted against legislation to protect women from up skirting, against workers rights and he’s in favour of zero hour contracts. He thinks Andrew Tate has important views and he’s happy to support him. He’s a privately educated banker who couldn’t care less about working class people. He’s the biggest grifter and Reform supporters are as moronic as the Maga ones, as well as the violent Reform supporters having a bigger inclination towards D.V (the stand up guys that they are).
I don’t have an issue with controls on immigration personally but you are wrong to think that it is the major cause of issues in this country.

TinyIsMyNewt · 27/08/2025 00:57

Beeinalily · 27/08/2025 00:23

There's nobody as fascist as the anti fascists.

In what world does this make any sense?

PiggyPigalle · 27/08/2025 01:06

JollyUmberDeer · 26/08/2025 21:46

OP, I suspect you know that you’re not protesting against fascists. Because your costume signalling suggests you wouldn’t be brave enough to put your head above the parapet if it was actual fascists.

You know that what you dislike is people who want some controls on immigration and especially illegal immigration. So actually you want to have a day out in celebration of open borders. Why not just say that.

Edited

We're looking more and more ridiculous as a country.
We refused to join the Schengen Agreement, so emphasising that borders are important.
Now Schengen countries are closing theirs, and ours is wide open.
European countries are using ours as an example of what not to become.

TinyIsMyNewt · 27/08/2025 01:23

Dappy777 · 26/08/2025 22:13

No. By fascists I assume you mean people who oppose mass immigration. That doesn’t make you a fascist. It’s a perfectly rational position to hold. Multiculturalism and mass immigration have been IMPOSED on this country, and have destroyed people’s sense of identity. No one asked for it and no one voted for it. Now that’s fascism.

I don’t know how the left have got the nerve to call people like Tommy Robinson a fascist. No one on earth is more dictatorial, intolerant or hate-filled than those on the left. I have never met such horrible, spiteful people. If you do attend, be careful. The levels of smugness could become suffocating.

The "left" call Tommy Robinson a fascist for a number of reasons, but one of the more obvious ones is that he was part of the British National Party, a fascist organization. It is hardly a controversial thing to say.

And the problem with the immigration debate is that we are relying on it to paper over the cracks caused by our ailing birthrate. Even if nobody objected to high immigrations, its an unsustainable solution. We need to figure out a way to either boost the birth rate or revolutionize society.

The typical right wing (like the Tories), in particular, have no interest in doing this. For one, it's not good for business but - likely more importantly- it isnt good for them electrorally (because if we cut immigration the first thing on the chopping block will have to be the state pension, and that'd be suicidal for a party that relies on the support of older voters).

As to what Reform are doing, I have no real idea (I'm not certain they do either).

They're messaging is focussed on stopping the boats, and illegal immigration - which accounts for less than 5% of immigration. They've now put forward something of a plan, and it involves us saying goodbye to our human rights and leaving various international treaties. I, for one, would not want to give up my rights for very little gain, and I suspect that leaving all sorts of international treaties will have negative diplomatic and trade reprocussions for us. We'll be poorer, have fewer rights, and be an increasingly irrelevant little country.

I don't believe they'll cut legal immigration in any significant way but, assuming they form the next government, I guess we'll find out. If they do, then the poor and the elderly will take the greatest hit but my guess is that they'll do jack shit about cutting net immigration and then their voters will start whining about Reform betraying them, just as they whine about the Tories now, then will vote for the next snake oil salesman promising them a magic uniform.

Of course, none of this is helped by the absence of meaningul solutions from the Left, who are barely tinkering around the edges of the issue, but I don't think they're actively trying to fuck over the average Brit like Reform are.

I'm not looking forward to the Reform electoral win I suspect is coming, nor the dire consequences for the country, but I am just about petty enough to be looking forward at the look on Reform voters' faces when they realize they've been played yet again.

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 27/08/2025 01:45

Appalonia · 26/08/2025 23:51

Thing is, if you're going to call respected university professors ' fascists', the word loses all meaning. Once upon a time, free speech was a core value of the left. Now they just seem to want to shut down all debate on things they deem unacceptable. That's no way to run a democracy. You want Reform to win the next election? Just carry on the way you're going and see what happens...

Do you think fascists are all the same? That they announce themselves with shaved heads, jack boots and are jobless or something?!
Because... that's unbelievably naive if so.
Think there's even a poem about it somewhere.
That they don't just announce themselves, they can present as your friend. A professional. Etc

Unitedwestand25 · 27/08/2025 01:48

I’m looking forward to September 13th. Stop illegal immugration and protect our children from further abuse. It is all our jobs to protect the most vulnerable. Great to see all the flags flying far and wide now

Valeriekat · 27/08/2025 01:52

awkwardasfuck · 26/08/2025 22:41

I didnt know this was happening so thank you for bringing it to my attention

I (Irish lebanese, but British citizen) will be going with my husband (welsh/saffa) who will absolutely protect me and anyone else being targeted violently by gammons

Isn’t using the term”gammons” racist in itself?

SunnySideDeepDown · 27/08/2025 01:58

Dappy777 · 26/08/2025 22:13

No. By fascists I assume you mean people who oppose mass immigration. That doesn’t make you a fascist. It’s a perfectly rational position to hold. Multiculturalism and mass immigration have been IMPOSED on this country, and have destroyed people’s sense of identity. No one asked for it and no one voted for it. Now that’s fascism.

I don’t know how the left have got the nerve to call people like Tommy Robinson a fascist. No one on earth is more dictatorial, intolerant or hate-filled than those on the left. I have never met such horrible, spiteful people. If you do attend, be careful. The levels of smugness could become suffocating.

I suspect you’ve met very few people in real life - you sound like you spend too long on the internet believing everything you read. Start reading real books and journals, stop taking idiots “facts” at face value.

ThatBlackCat · 27/08/2025 03:21

DreamyBalonz · 26/08/2025 21:42

Apparently people who don't want limitless illegal immigrants pouring into the country are fascists. My husband is going on the protest but to protest against illegal immigration. And it's a peaceful protest so not thugs or violence

There is no such thing as 'illegal immigrants', it's not illegal to seek asylum.

misoandchips · 27/08/2025 03:39

Prebendstreet · 26/08/2025 21:30

What exactly are you protesting against please?

That's what I am curious to find out?

Who are all these racists & fascists you talk about?

TinyIsMyNewt · 27/08/2025 03:41

Valeriekat · 27/08/2025 01:52

Isn’t using the term”gammons” racist in itself?

So far as I can tell, its a term coined by some white people about some other subset of white people, of the same nationality.

So, in short, no.

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