Husband has extreme right wing views

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Not sure if this is the right place to post as it's not an AIBU but more of I think my husband is being and I'm not sure what to do about it.

He's getting caught up in some quite extreme right wing views in regards to migrants. Complains about how they're coming in, being housed in hotels, paid allowances etc. with no checks and how crime rates such as rape are now ten fold etc. He thinks Trump is great 😪 He's very intelligent so I'm not sure how he's managed to get caught up in this extremist view point.

WWYD?

Okay. We’ve established we agreed on that.

What if you hadn’t committed a crime, ever, and weren’t a risk. Would you be happy to leave because we don’t like your birthplace anymore?

Absolutely!! I am a guest here and when a guest is asked to leave they should leave.

When did I mention deportations? I said we should take a long-term view, a multi-generational view, about the consequences of immigration when we're deciding how many people to bring in today. This is precisely because of what you are saying, i.e., logistically it becomes near-impossible to reverse course later when you're talking about people born here.

The "radicalised second generation effect" is well known, because it's hard feeling you are not quite in either camp. Many of the examples just thrown about on this thread were of people born in this country but from a family with a recent immigrant history. It's not a "gotcha" to say "ha but they were British born". It's an observable repeating problem.

(But I agree that "deport them" is also a nonsensical thing to propose as a solution.)

More generally my point is that ethnic tensions after a period of immigration can remain high for generations, decades, centuries depending on to what extent the communities continue to remain separate. And that NI is a very clear example of that.

I wouldn’t leave him and people that say they would are just plain narrow minded in my opinion. I was raised with a far right loving father so I know what it is like to endure their attitude and views. I wouldn’t cut my Dad off just because he has differing views that I went on to have. Open up the conversation and see what his concerns are and invite compassion. There is usually something that they can empathise with.

Even when they have built their entire lives in a place different from their birthplace and have no ties to wherever they're from? And when their spouses/partners, friends, children, career are here and not there? The 'guest' mentality smacks of expat, not immigrant. Immigration is much more permanent and you can't destroy someone's life because you consider them just 'guests' - and just because you'd be happy to be treated that way doesn't make it right.

I can't remember where I read it but someone said people are like trees: they have roots but if you cut off all their branches they die.
What matters in life isn't just your roots, it's also what you've built.

Yes. I am still a guest.

i have been here since I was a child. Did my GCSE’s here, a levels, university, have built my career here. All my friends are here and some of my family. I have very little ties to my home country but if I was asked to leave I would. Of course I would.

I agree. I have built my life here. But I have never forgotten what passport I have. And I always have known and respected that because of that there in always a risk that I could be asked to leave. I’m not an idiot.

if you met me you would not know I am not British. So please let me have this opinion and know that opinion is worth something.

I genuinely don't understand why you think that. It can only mean that you don't consider yourself to be worthy of the same rights of a native Brit just through an accident of birth.

I respect your opinion, I just don't understand it.

Because I am not British! So no I do not deserve the same rights as a British person. I do however work here and pay taxes and therefore have the right to access all public services available to me. Equally I don’t have the same rights in Germany or France as someone from there. Of course the rights of British people should be put before mine.

I have a home country. That country is the one that is ultimately responsible for me. And they would put my rights before anyone immigrant.

and please don’t insult me by calling me an expat 😂

Sorry about the expat thing.
Right - so you're not a citizen, but you're still a long term immigrant who has contributed to the place in multiple ways. I know of cases where returning to a home country after a very long absence has not been straightforward at all, especially when you've never paid into the local system. My point is, you may not be a full citizen but I would never ever support a government that considers it reasonable to arbitrarily request law abiding immigrants like you leave the country. That would be beyond extreme and disgusting. In a country where the rule of law prevails, people like you have rights even if you're not a UK passport holder.

Yes and it’s my hope it doesn’t come to that but if a decision was made that meant I would have to go, I have to honour and respect that. It’s kind of the deal with being an immigrant. I’m a guest and I behave as I would in any situation as guest and I hope that my good behaviour and contributions mean that I am allowed to stay but absolutely it is not a given. So yes it pisses me to fuck when immigrants come here and behave badly because ultimately it could affect me in a negative way. If they don’t like it they can get out because I want to stay and contribute and their actions put me at risk.

also, I’m absolutely fine in my home country. I have ensured that. I file a tax return there every year. Again, you would be an idiot not to think that one through… I also don’t leave a job until I’ve signed a contract with the new one - same kind or thinking.

I guess there are entitled bastards in every part of the population including newcomers who come here expecting the moon on a stick but the vast majority of immigrants will be like you, trying to make an honest living in their new country. There shouldn't be any need for them to feel like they've got to be ready to go. Surely there's a happy medium somewhere between acting like an entitled prick and acting like you could be shown the door at any moment.

@Sussexswain I'm in the exact same boat as you and fully agree with everything you said!

I’m a guest and I behave as I would in any situation as guest and I hope that my good behaviour and contributions mean that I am allowed to stay but absolutely it is not a given. So yes it pisses me to fuck when immigrants come here and behave badly because ultimately it could affect me in a negative way.

This is a big reason I'm so vocal about it, it confuses people because they think that because I'm an immigrant I should want open borders - but I think in the long run an immigration system that has low volume, high standards and high expectations for immigrants is one that will be sustainable and respected. The current one has led to open civil unrest and violence this summer because it's not accepted. That's not better for me!

Yes there should be a happy medium but currently there is not.

@OneAmberFinch just summed it up brilliantly This is a big reason I'm so vocal about it, it confuses people because they think that because I'm an immigrant I should want open borders - but I think in the long run an immigration system that has low volume, high standards and high expectations for immigrants is one that will be sustainable and respected. The current one has led to open civil unrest and violence this summer because it's not accepted. That's not better for me!

I know lots of people who just want to think the best of everyone and everyone is here for all good reasons but too many have failed the test to be a good guest and Britain owes it too it’s people to change this system. But Britain does not owe me a life here just because I want it.

I totally agree. And it’s the virtue signallers who are the worst. I don’t need them to stick up for me as an immigrant. I need them to stick up for their own country and their own people so our society can thrive and grow. Because right now it’s not.

My late father was an immigrant and you've perfectly articulated his view on this. Many people who come to this country to do things the right way DO NOT want the patience and tolerance of the British people to be tested to the extent that it has been in recent years.

I know where they are from thank you, that wasn’t my point though if you read my posts.

The father of the Ariana Grande bomber supported known terrorists. If more care was taken to remove people who support or associate with known terrorists then Salman would not have been born here.

From the BBC report:

A Libyan businessman, Adel Alrayni, told BBC Arabic that Abedi's father supported the radical cleric, Abu Qatada, and used to meet him in London.

An excellent point well made.

Point is though, in the hypothetical situation you described of leaving just because you're asked to: arbitrarily disposing of immigrants just because they're not natives would be affecting the rights of British citizens because the kind of government that does that will not be one that respects anyone's rights. Now this is not about sticking up for your rights, it's about sticking up for mine.

Removing immigrants because they are not natives already happens. Everywhere. Every day. It’s called their visa expiring and they have to go home.

Yes I think the family were originally given asylum/permission to remain and a council house in Manchester as the father was an opponent of Gaddafi. At the time of the bombing I think the parents at least were back living in Libya where they had a house. But they still had the council house where the sons were living (they’d possibly bought it by then under RTB!).

But that's not what we're talking about. There are rules, and visas don't always get renewed when those rules apply. That's not arbitrary. However someone with indefinite leave to remain (as I assume you are) getting deported simply on the basis of being born elsewhere - that's the hallmark of a horrible regime. We cannot suggest that the only choice is between a functioning democracy which respects human rights and retaining our culture and civilisation. It's a false dichotomy and one that the far right keeps pushing down our throats.

I feel this discussion is going off topic as no one is talking about deporting those with indefinite leave to remain with no criminal record. Don’t think that’s on the table and if it happened you can fight it but I wouldn’t (because I wouldn’t be here).

i think what a lot of people want is the tightening of criteria to get indefinite leave to remain and allowing for deportation when rules are broken. For many years I ( well my parents) had to pay for access to certain services and no access to benefits so I am also looking for parity.