Husband has extreme right wing views

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Not sure if this is the right place to post as it's not an AIBU but more of I think my husband is being and I'm not sure what to do about it.

He's getting caught up in some quite extreme right wing views in regards to migrants. Complains about how they're coming in, being housed in hotels, paid allowances etc. with no checks and how crime rates such as rape are now ten fold etc. He thinks Trump is great 😪 He's very intelligent so I'm not sure how he's managed to get caught up in this extremist view point.

WWYD?

So you are not interested in knowing the number of crimes committed by men entering this country? Those crimes that were totally preventable if these men weren’t here?

Surely though, if this number is as low as PPs are claiming (some have implied it’s zero), wouldn’t be good for everyone to know that? To put some of these discussions to bed?

I am interested in the number of men who commit violent crime against women and girls.

The colour of their skin is of absolutely no consequence to me.

I don’t buy into this big conspiracy theory that the government keeps things from us that we “should” know.

I used to share your view and also trusted the BBC to tell the truth and human rights organisations to protect the human right ms if women. I have sadly been disabused of all of that, not by any commentators with an agenda but I’ve seen it with my own eyes.

re crime stats, they’ve been asked a number of times by MPs for the stats and so far refused. I think there was some more recent agreement to produce some.

Secondly, I think they’re right to not tell us the ethnicity of every criminal, because of the fuss it causes when it is “uncovered.” I think them whipping up the already existing racist undertones of “brown man attacks woman” would be a really, really stupid thing to do.

What about the rights of women in this country not to be raped or murdered by criminals who have entered this country? If men from one particular country or region are far more likely to criminals, we should have that information and measures need to be taken to mitigate the risks.

I have assumed that many of the people who cross the sea to reach England, and seek asylum, are doing just that. Seeking asylum.

In good weather it’s not a dangerous crossing at all. The RNLI escort many boats and provide life jackets. People swim it for sport.

Of course there will be people that have other motives, and do commit crime. But “sending them all home” involves sending many of them back to persecution or death.

Even the government agrees that sending foreign criminals home is the right thing to do. While your concern for others and altruism could be applauded, it might be good to remember that the governments first responsibility is to its citizens and I feel like your support for the human rights of criminals over our human rights has gone too far. Way too far.

nb. Obviously we are not going to send home genuine asylum seekers that are not criminals.

I didn’t mention the colour of their skin. 🤷‍♀️

I am mystified by your determination not to admit that some crimes are preventable. If the man isn’t in this country, he can’t hurt us.

Your approach is rather callously ignoring the preventable murders and rapes that have already happened here and across Europe. Rather a luxury belief from someone who feels very protected?

The colour of their skin is not the important detail. If a would-be rapist is not currently in the country, he can't ever commit rape or sexual assault here and he poses no threat to British women or children. If you allow him into the country and he then commits rapes and sexual assaults, the state could have prevented it with data driven policy. You're throwing the victims of those crimes under the bus with your approach, their attacker should never have been in the country in the first place.

I don’t think MPs should release those stats. Not unless they’re going to release similar for our own men committing acts of violence, and how the two compare.

Anything else will encourage some groups to conflate the actions of some immigrants/POC with whole communities, which isn’t the right course of action. The far right want stamping out IMO, not encouraging.

It’s lovely that you would only deport criminals, and that makes total sense. If they’re a known criminal, and we establish a way to make sure that’s the case, send them wherever in my book. But that’s not the current situation.

The people outside Bell Hotel last night weren’t shouting “send the criminals back” were they. They meant all asylum seekers. Empty the hotel, send them all back.

Shared videos of people praying on a beach. Are they all known criminals? No. But they don’t “belong” here, if you take the current rhetoric at face value.

The mood of the country, or some of it, isn’t leaning towards detaining and removing criminals. It’s leant toward lies about benefits received by asylum seekers, what an illegal immigrant even is, and mass deportation - which will include those who have sought genuine asylum.

That’s a right wing view, and it’s for want of a better word- bullshit.

So how do you propose we stop only the criminal ones and allow in genuine asylum seekers?

Protected by who? 😂

I’m no more protected against an immigrant rapist than I am one from round the corner.

All male crime is preventable. Let’s deport them all.

Refuse visas and asylum claims from men coming from countries with high rates of criminality. If an asylum seeking man has ditched his passport in the channel on the way here, automatic rejection.

That won’t stop only criminals.

It will stop all men from certain countries, some of which are genuine asylum seekers and valuable migrants in terms of work and contribution.

No documents, no entry, I agree with. But blanket banning all men from certain countries will prevent genuine asylum.

You're right, it won't stop only criminals. But I'd rather stop both criminals and valuable migrants than accept both into our country.

She probably knows it wouldn’t be a good look. If it was just the occasional crime, of course she’d not have a problem.

It looks bad because it is.

Fair enough, but what I asked was if you knew a way to prevent criminals without preventing those who are genuine.

The way, btw, is to open safe and legal routes that involve checks being completed before arrival. Applying for asylum, including a criminal record check, and then travelling.

What we can’t, or shouldn’t, do is assume that all men from specific countries present risk because of their background or culture, and blanket ban them all.

The United Kingdom is not the only country on earth. There are plenty of nearby countries with attitudes and cultures that will be more similar

“She” has a problem with all male pattern violence, and doesn’t believe that the general public has the right to all of the information all of time.

They don’t have a right to know information that may affect their own safety? Government has already clearly shown that it doesn’t care about the safety of women and girls if they believe it will disrupt ‘community relations’.

The UK is far from the only country on earth. You are allowed to say no, go somewhere else …

I’ll consider that report you’re asking for, when it includes how much level of risk males present us regardless of country of origin, and a plan to tackle that.

Where would you like to send our homegrown violent men? We’ll start with the ones arrested after last years riots who also had a history of DV. Rwanda? Does that work? They’re already known to the police, shouldn’t take long.

Have they shown that by not deporting whole communities on the basis that their country of origin might make them dangerous? Because that’s not a thing, so they haven’t. If it is a thing, I’m going to assume you’ve never met someone who was born elsewhere, and lived to tell the tale.

Is it all foreign criminals you object to, or just the non-white people fleeing danger? Much easier to create hysteria about ‘others’ than deal with the fact that women and girls are in danger here and the justice system is doing very little about it. There are plenty of men in our own home grown population who consider women as objects rather than people. Don’t try and justify your racism

So why make it worse by importing young men (literally the riskiest demographic) from some of the most violent, misogynistic places on earth?

Thats not going to help your native population at all, in fact, it’ll make everything worse.

Where would you like to send our homegrown violent men? We’ll start with the ones arrested after last years riots who also had a history of DV

You could start by sending them to jail and keeping them there. Unfortunately leftists have a poor track record on this too.

We absolutely can and we should.

We should assume that a group of people are inherently more dangerous based on their ethnicity and/or country of origin?

There’s a word for that…

Reality

It does begin with a R, tbf!

What, like Dominique Pelicot you mean? That famed (checks notes) white French man? And all his white French "buddies"? Seems it wasn't "unthinkable" for them....