Husband has extreme right wing views

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Not sure if this is the right place to post as it's not an AIBU but more of I think my husband is being and I'm not sure what to do about it.

He's getting caught up in some quite extreme right wing views in regards to migrants. Complains about how they're coming in, being housed in hotels, paid allowances etc. with no checks and how crime rates such as rape are now ten fold etc. He thinks Trump is great 😪 He's very intelligent so I'm not sure how he's managed to get caught up in this extremist view point.

WWYD?

It doesn't matter what you want to call it. This can be dealt with at the ballot box in 4 short years so call it whatever you like.

His friends and family did not come to rape with him. The wider community had no idea—unfortunately far from the case in the grooming gang rapes.

You really don’t want to go down the path of, ‘we have bad men here, so importing bad men from the third world is nbd’

Like …. why?

Yep, and then (if they win) the racists can get on with sending innocent people back to their deaths, and ideally shut up about it.

I feel for the poor Afghans who worked alongside our troops to try and help us defeat the Taliban, only to be abandoned to a horrific fate after the US decided to make a hasty withdrawal. They never should have put their trust in us.

You’ve got quite the imagination. They are just going back to their homeland, where all the women, children and elderly are. Most of them are economic migrants and you know it

I completely agree. They’ve been utterly betrayed.

Its five and half years since the withdrawal from Afghanistan. The British government brought thousands of them here under cover of a super injunction, if those that remain are still alive and well after five and a half years I'm somewhat skeptical about the idea of them having been abandoned to a horrific fate.

How many Afghans do you suppose worked alongside our troops?

Yes. If for example we send a load of people back to the Taliban, who have previously fled the Taliban, they’ll be absolutely fine and live forever and ever.

The government openly admitted at the time that they'd had to leave many of them behind.

These would be the ones arriving with zero documentation, correct? Yeah, they’ll be fine

A quick search suggests we've resettled over 40000 Afghans here through various schemes, unlikely to include those who've arrived by dinghy. If that isn't enough, thank Tony and The Blairites for the war and Joe Biden for the manner of the withdrawal 🤷‍♀️

Well. They won’t. But that’s not something you’re bothered about because at least won’t be sleeping in a hotel you have no attention of staying in.

Is it just recent arrivals you’re interested in? I am assuming that those who are already here, but also definitely observe a different culture and religion, can stay because we know who they are?

I absolutely blame Joe Biden for the shambles of a withdrawal.

What we can’t, or shouldn’t, do is assume that all men from specific countries present risk because of their background or culture, and blanket ban them all.

So when you replied to the above with, "we absolutely can and we should", which countries did you have in mind? And would you have made exceptions for men who risked their lives to be our allies, or would the blanket ban still apply?

Lol, imagine thinking data has any weight these days. We’re in the middle of a disinformation war and all that matters now is emotion and feelings. Facts and evidence have no place in this conversation.

Hell..even established media outlets like the Mail, Telegraph, Express and GB News are knowingly publishing and promoting false data.

Take the headlines about Afghans supposedly being responsible for more sexual assaults than any other nationality. That claim came from a report by the Centre for Migration Control, which calls itself a thinktank but is actually just one guy with close ties to Reform. The data he published has been proven to be false. He took the raw figures, deleted the tab that explained it was arrest data, not conviction data, so one Afghani arrested four times shows up as four separate counts and then presented it as if it was fact.

He also used a three-year dataset covering the entire Afghan population in the UK but presented it as a per-10,000, per-year figure. When this was pointed out to GB News, their response was to just remove the source from their graphs and carry on reporting it as fact.

Same story with the Telegraph’s claim that foreigners are responsible for a quarter of sexual assaults. The actual figure is closer to 15 percent, which more or less reflects demographics. But they lumped the 8 percent of “unknown” nationalities in with the foreign % and called it a day.

And that's before we even look at the wild west of social media. Honestly, I don’t know what’s worse in this country now, the state of journalistic integrity or the public’s media literacy.

It’s not extreme right wing to be concerned about rising rape figures.

It IS right wing to only blame foreigners / immigrants / minorities for it while excluding the many other factors involved in those numbers.

When people make comments like this I think it's really revealing that they have never actually lived in a quote-unquote third-world country. (I have.)

The logic is "this person is persecuted, therefore they are a victim, therefore they are not a safety risk, therefore we should shelter them".

This is true some of the time.

But in most cases and especially when talking about healthy young men it is a case of a complex web of different factions and power struggles that they have temporarily found themselves in the wrong end of, and by inviting them here we bring that factional ethnic/tribal conflict to our own shores.

Some of the innocent are persecuted, but being persecuted doesn't make you innocent.

Some of the innocent are persecuted, but being persecuted doesn't make you innocent

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I didn’t say it did.

I said we shouldn’t be assuming that all asylum seekers present risk and not welcoming any from certain countries on that basis.

The PP is yet to confirm which countries she means, but I think we can all work it out - roughly.

I’m sure it is possible to be both persecuted and either dangerous or a confirmed criminal. We need to establish a way to work out which is which, and then by all means let’s not welcome criminals.

But if the PP’s suggestion is that we shouldn’t welcome any migration from Muslim countries, on the basis that we “can and should assume” they’re all dangerous - that is racist, is not acceptable, and would impact the innocently persecuted.

Poor little lad…

I was actually about to reply to that question but I'm intrigued. Which countries did i mean and whats the basis for it, is it just that I'm a far right racist Nazi or might there be a little more to it?

The last paragraph of the post you’ve quoted, made clear what I’ve assumed you meant.

I’m not going to list all Muslim countries for you.

But, as an example - it’s not reasonable to block or return all Afghan asylum seekers because you fear that the very fact they’re from Afghanistan makes them more dangerous.

Thanks for proving my point.

I’m not sure which bit of ‘remove foreign criminals’ from my post you’re struggling with here but our government also want to remove foreign criminals from our country (obviously hampered by ‘human rights’ lawyers with views like yours) - are they being racist?

There are plenty of men in our own home grown population who consider women as objects rather than people.

Well yes obviously, but I’m mystified why you think that’s a justification for not deporting foreign criminals or denying them entry in the first place? We’ve got enough men here that want to hurt us, why do we want even more?

Do you think a government has a responsibility to protect its own citizens as much as possible? What is your view on allowing in foreign terrorists? Should we welcome people with a mission to commit mass murder as well?

We part ways here and its probably not worth much more discussion because we'll get close to agreeing, but I think i most definitely is reasonable to block immigration from certain areas if data shows that we're endangering our own citizens if we allow it. There are hundreds of other countries where they can seek refuge, rejection from the UK does not imprison them in their country of origin.

For the record, "all Muslim countries" would not be an accurate summary. For example, I wouldn't expect Indonesian migrants to be particularly problematic. Countries like Pakistan pose a different challenge in that Pakistani migrants from certain regions of the country integrate perfectly well and make a good contribution to our society, while those from other regions are an enormous problem in terms of counter-terrorism, the safety of women and girls and societal cohesion.

I agree with the OP's DH
I no longer feel safe going into my nearest town where a hotel is being used to house these people. My friends feel the same.
As a result we now shop and meet up in another place about 5 miles in the other direction. And we're not alone.
My nearest town now has shops closing and empty coffee shops .
Even if the migrants are moved it will make no difference . Habits have changed and will stay changed

To get back to the issue with the OP's dh: I'd find such comments upsetting too, but it's not necessarily a matter of 'LTB' unless the comments go with more broadly unpleasant attiudes and actions.

It;s already established that he doesn't go around protesting outside asylum hotels, or engage in active racist bullying.

Does he have a hostile attitide to people whom he meets personally, who are if a different colour or religion, from a different country. or 'different' in some other ways?

Is his 'Trump is great' attitude associated with a desire to make the world more macho, harsher and less accommodating to people who need help or find in hard to cope in a rough-and-tumble free-for-all? Orto assert his authority over women? Or ro oppose vaccinations and modern medicine?

If the answer to all of these is No, then the solution is probably either to debate these issues or just agree not to discuss them.

If the answer to any of them is Yes, then the relationship may not be viable. It should be noted that most of them , especially the anti-vax stuff, can also occur in left-wingers.