Husband has extreme right wing views

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Not sure if this is the right place to post as it's not an AIBU but more of I think my husband is being and I'm not sure what to do about it.

He's getting caught up in some quite extreme right wing views in regards to migrants. Complains about how they're coming in, being housed in hotels, paid allowances etc. with no checks and how crime rates such as rape are now ten fold etc. He thinks Trump is great 😪 He's very intelligent so I'm not sure how he's managed to get caught up in this extremist view point.

WWYD?

Compassion and understanding? I'm not seeing any from you. And the calousness is very much on your part right now. Calously badgering a woman to end her marriage and break up her childrens' home, potentially damaging them for life, because you desperately need her DH to be punished for holding a different view to yours. His views align with the majority of the country, you are the extremist.

I think leaving someone for their political views is such a personal and complex decision, I'd never presume to argue in favour of that - and I haven't on this thread. However the man's views don't align with the majority of the country. Reform has 4 sitting MPs. Last time I looked they're not the party in power. They are just getting a ridiculous amount of airtime from media that are hungry for ratings and controversy. There's also a concerted push online to buoy them up. I understand that many people are concerned about immigration but Reform don't have the magic pill. Also, the facts and data are out there and the small boats are a tiny portion of overall immigration. It's all about PR for Farage. Just like sex sells, populism sells.

4 sitting MPs right now. Check the polls.

Utter nonsense.

This society has lurched so far to the right, and become so beholden to millionaire grifters like Farage and Tice, you have to question where we are as humans.

I don't think I have 'badgered' the OP, just more expressing my frustration at what people are now prepared to put up with.

And something else you will wrinkle your nose at, Labour are expelling more illegal immigrants than the Tories ever did, and working hard to stop the illegal gangs whi are responsible for so many deaths in the Channel.

Problem is, Farages precious Brexit has made it difficult to work with the rest of the EU over this.

Ironic really.

Didn't stop him spouting absolute garbage today though, but I'm sure you'll lap it up.

Reform has been topping opinion polls for months now with ~30% of people saying they'd vote for them in a general election held tomorrow - "4 MPs" does not reflect the levels of support for them.

I don't call myself a Reform supporter necessarily as I have doubts about their ability to deliver and be organised as a serious party, but there is also, as you say, serious money behind them and money can solve a lot of logistical and talent problems in a 4 year time horizon.

We'll see what happens. Hopefully the electorate will come to their senses before the next election.

Why would I "wrinkle my nose" at that? I support Labour's efforts in that regard and I wish them every success. I hope they tackle the issue so successfully that they can make a strong case for re-election, they'll deserve it if they've done well enough. I'll vote for them myself if I'm happy with what they've done in four year's time.

The electorate is telling the political class, in no uncertain terms, what they want. Its up to the Labour Party to deliver it or they'll be a one term government, thats how democracy works.

If Trump fails and Putin gets put back in his place I think they will but I think this is one of those moments when history can go one way or another...

Some of the electorate is telling the political class what they want. The majority of people don't support Reform. And with any luck, some of those that do will come to their senses before the next election.

Surely even the most die-hard Trump fans must cringe to see Putin playing him like a fiddle? Unless they're also fans of Putin, of course.

I agree, the future is very uncertain.

We are amongst the lucky ones who have an escape route if the worst happens, but I'm trying to stay optimistic for now.

Kier Starmer was elected with less votes than Corbyn got when he was demolished in 2019, thats life. You keep talking about people coming to their senses, I think they already have. And more will join them in the coming years because the left is currently nothing more than dysfunctional cult. Collectively, it cannot self reflect and it can't learn lessons, it can only demand that people fall in line and become enraged when they don't.

I would like to believe that most people are decent. Some may be tempted to vote for Reform because they're fed up of all of the other parties, but the blatant racism and the far right rhetoric may well end up putting people off. Those who aren't very engaged with politics may have been less aware of it, but it's in all of our faces now, and Farage has a long time to show people who he really is, so some may yet decide that it isn't for them.

But who knows, maybe I'm giving people too much credit. We'll see.

Yes, people are coming to their senses. More and more are realising what is happening snd that they are not comfortable with open borders.The government are also starting to see it too.

This thread has been quite helpful as it has provided the opportunity for pps to share actual facts about issues of crimes committed by the different groups of men and the impact it’s had on women in those European countries that are a few steps ahead of us with immigration levels. So thank you for that.

It has also been helpful in showing how determined some are to shout “bigot” and “racist” and prevent any conversation being had. Some dress it up by saying that the conversation must be ‘respectful’ but then admit there is no way of having the conversation at all in a way they deem respectful.

It’s certainly clarified things in my mind and I now feel better knowing that more and more people are alert to the issues. Good work all.

Word for word your post is such a stereotypical textbook example of an extreme left wing bigot that it should be framed and displayed

I agree

Don't be daft, there are sectarian bores on both sides, and also those of us who enjoy discussing difference. For example, I have an older relative who votes Tory and is anti immigration. I disagree with his views but I love him. Important to that is hes actually never intolerant of real people - he has a warm and open heart and had a particularly close relationship with my same sex, black immigrant dp of 25 years.

I would feel very different about someone who demonised asylum seekers. One side of my family were refugees, the other side economic migrants, and anyway I hate bullying of vulnerable people.

Of course there are decent Tories - John Major, Douglas Hurd, Theresa May. But there are also nasty right wingers (Farage, Trump, Vance) and yes also nasty left wingers (George Galloway is vile). Unfortunately what we are seeing at the moment is an upsurge of the nasty right, scapegoating and demonising others. I couldn't live with that, any more than I could live with George Galloway.

I don't share your optimism. Farage has for a long time been regarded as a more 'palatable' form of lovable fascist, to whom ordinary people - for whatever reason - have warmed. Many are simply fed up with their life and the other politicians and are willing to give him a try, and yes some of them may decide he's not for them. But a concerningly growing number of people are actively choosing to align themselves with even the less palatable, for example those knowingly and proudly intending to attend a Tommy Robinson sponsored and organised protest in September. Tommy Robinson: let that sink in. People know who he is. They know what he's said and done. Openly and obviously a seriously bad wrong 'un and yet they are choosing to align with him regardless. They're defending this choice because "immigration".

Fascism arrives as your friend. It's all straight out of a 1930s Germany playbook and we are sleep walking deeper into it. Those decent people you talk about - your friends, neighbours, and colleagues - they're choosing their side. Ordinary people, decent, good, hard working people, are turning against one another.

And I'm an optimist.

I've posted before about being shocked to find out that a lovely friend votes Tory. We've discussed politics a few times and I think that her aims for this country are mostly similar to mine, we just disagree about the best ways to achieve them. So we are still friends.

I find Farage's flat-cap wearing, pint-drinking, man-of-the-people act as utterly transparent and false as Boris Johnson's amiable buffoon shtick. Both are fronts for something far less wholesome.

Time after time, we've seen disadvantaged people vote for right-wing parties and then when it's their turn to get screwed over by the privileged elite, they protest that this wasn't what they voted for. Yes it was, they just assumed that if they joined the "winning side", they would be rewarded and only the scapegoated "losers" would miss out. But this was never the plan.

'Extreme right'? 😄 Because he's expressed a different opinion? I'd not worry. If he's a decent and good man in your domestic situation, ignore the people trying to silence him. You don't need to 'fit in' to any of the right on stuff going on here or in wider society. I wish you well.

The irony of your post is astounding, though of course you won’t see it.

Going NC with family who you disagree with politically, and advocating reprogramming phones so they only see “correct opinions” is what’s really cultish.

And Trump, odious as he might be, isn’t a child rapist (at least he’s not been credibly accused of this, let alone charged or convicted).

Othering a significant proportion of the population, and viewing them as vile monsters - whether that’s immigrants or Reform supporters - is the route to society’s breakdown. The extreme left and right do this - it’s what makes them “extreme”.

However the only extremism and bigotry on this thread is coming from the extreme left!

Excellent post

I don’t like Trump. I think he’s a narcissist, and probably a sociopath too, but that doesn’t mean I can’t see why otherwise reasonable people could be drawn to him because he seems offer frank alternatives to the failures of the liberal world order.

Politics is always a compromise… you can dislike someone personally, but still believe their policies are, on the whole, better, even if they have aspects you disagree with.

Writing off everyone who dares to speak approvingly of Trump, and refusing to engage with them due to their “fascism”, is ironically partly what’s driving people in that direction - it’s completely counterproductive.