Husband has extreme right wing views

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Not sure if this is the right place to post as it's not an AIBU but more of I think my husband is being and I'm not sure what to do about it.

He's getting caught up in some quite extreme right wing views in regards to migrants. Complains about how they're coming in, being housed in hotels, paid allowances etc. with no checks and how crime rates such as rape are now ten fold etc. He thinks Trump is great 😪 He's very intelligent so I'm not sure how he's managed to get caught up in this extremist view point.

WWYD?

I’m not an extremist but I’m very against the amount of young men illegally entering our country. It’s not safe and I think people are right to feel concerned. I would never stand outside a hotel or walk a march to voice my opinion, but they are being way too looked after by our government and I think it’s wrong on all levels

I mean this is a situation that has been brewing for multiple decades - so not just this government. And it is not something I would expect any government to be able to fix in just a year (without taking substantial short cuts, that could negatively impact people who are in genuine need and have already suffered quite a bit).

But I agree, there is a lot of fear that is being masked by anger. I also think that some groups are whipping this up and taking advantage of that fear for their own financial and political benefit.

Chronic past under-funding of Border Force and Home Office to ensure there are enough staff to process claims in a swift @manner is not an easy thing to fix - without increasing government spending in this area, which would probably need tax increases to fund, which are again less than popular.

So many softie lefties in this country. Hey, let's send 50,000 British men over the border into Iran and see what happens eh? FFS.

Sending in the National Guard to force the hand of states who he has said have not acted quickly enough (not right-wing in the left-right economic model, as it is a violation of state's rights)

National Guards are used in a time of crisis. When local government refuses to address a pressing national issue, then it’s perfectly acceptable to ignore them and do what they should have done all along, which is cooperate with ICE. They are doing this to jurisdictions which refuse to address crime properly as well. Good.

Locking up small children, and separating them from their parents and families when held in deportation centres

There are family detention facilities so they can be deported together. There are legal reasons why children cannot be held in detention centers long-term, so separation may be necessary if they cannot be deported in a timely manner. The answer is to just deport as quickly as possible to avoid this situation.

Mass deporting people to third countries (not necessarily where they have come from/ through) including the recent high-profile case of someone wrongly deported and sent to a notorious South American prison

Venezuela wouldn’t take them back. What do you suggest we do (and in fact, Venezuela now accepts deported individuals). Just let them stay?

Using shackles when transporting people between holding and detention centres. Regardless of appropriateness/ likely flight risk

Do you know why this happens? Because a plane load of deportees to Haiti absolutely wrecked a chartered plane and tried to hijack it. Bet you didn’t hear about it.

We are now offering $1000 for them to self-deport. Isn’t this better than risking staying in a country that now takes illegal immigration seriously, as per the wishes of the electorate?

I wouldn’t even class his views as right wing, more right of centre!

And all the people telling you to leave him on the first page for crying out loud. Thats how you end up in an echo chamber 🙄

If you look at the stats provided above you’ll see that this is not a ‘far right viewpoint’ but a fact that is true across Europe with mass immigration.

People that attempt to shut down conversation on this with spurious ‘far right’ accusations are now part of the problem.

Trump is a narcissistic lunatic imo but he has done some things right. He has reversed Bidens wholesale attack on women’s rights as well as attempting to achieve peace in Ukraine.

I think you need to become better informed on these issues and you won’t be so dismissive.

Her husband (and everyone else) has the freedom to think and have opinions; but that doesn't entitle them to freedom from consequences for those opinions. People might think Trump is a good leader, I can't get past the fact that he has admitted to sexual assault. That would make me concerned that they would not respect my boundaries, and therefore I would choose not to sleep with someone who felt that

So how many additional does and murders by immigrant men are you comfortable with?
You reject the number ‘ten fold’ - what is the number of rapes committed by foreign men coming from countries where they claim rape is not illegal?

Why do you think the government are dragging their heels in providing the criminal figures for these men? If it was lower than is claimed, surely they’d tell us and all the ‘right wing’ extremists would have to shut up as they’ve been proved wrong?

OMG they said that? Out loud?????

So if it’s all about wealth gaps, do you think that bringing in men from poor countries with low levels of education is going to help or not help on rates of crime?

Hi - so you're in the US then?

How do you feel about cases like this one reported in the BBC this morning? What approach would you like Trump to take?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg4kd385e4o

Regarding data availability: there is a serious lack of reliable official data published on various topics (crime, welfare receipts, taxes paid, etc). Government sources often use very broad buckets like "Asian" which don't show differences by specific country.

This is essential because a) different countries possibly have different base rates due to cultural norms etc, and b) the particular groups we've selected to come here skew the data, e.g. Albanian refugees usually explicitly being here because of organised crime, or Ukrainians mostly being women, Nigerian immigrants usually being Yoruba/Igbo not Hausa etc.

However since these breakdowns are usually not published in comprehensive ONS datasets, individual journalists do FOIA requests and similar to get very specific breakdowns. You can't just FOIA "all migrant crime data" you have to ask specifically only for rape crimes by London borough for 2015-2023 or whatever.

The government responds with data correct to the best of its knowledge (subject to usual data quality issues like reporting bias etc). However it is then really hard to understand why some numbers don't seem to match up, because only half the numbers are there.

Typical example (made up numbers)
ONS announces that Asians have the same shoplifting rates as white British
Telegraph announces furiously that Afghans shoplift at 10x the rate
Guardian runs a heartwarming profile about Japanese immigrants who shoplift at 0.1x the rate

Now both sides think the other side is lying and spreading misinformation.

Being able to see the full dataset would be very useful to inform policy and see patterns, not filtered through either government smokescreens or journalistic agendas.

You answered your own question, like a chil but still...its a choice to be good or bad ..you choose bad...to condemn whole groups ....to choose prejudice and harm the innocent. You choose an unjust society so you can 'feel' better

He’s not far wrong.

I am American but alas have not lived in my
homeland for quite some time.

I read the story. Yes, it is awful what has happened in Venezuela since Maduro (maybe Chavez). But she has no legal basis to claim asylum. Rampant crime in your home country is not a legitimate basis for asylum, you know that, do you not?

I recommend she take the 2000 dollars and self-deport with her daughter, and live with her partner.

Good point. The data used upthread by pp trying to prove that white men commit more crimes per head than ‘Asian’ men, lumps in all men from 49 different countries, with extremely varying levels of crime rates.

Unfortunately, the government is very aware of the impact of data in public opinion and is hiding it for exactly the reasons many are concerned about.

The data shared by @Phobiaphobic paints a damning picture across Europe of the effects of mass immigration from certain countries. People denying or excusing this are becoming part of the problem.

I don’t condemn whole groups. I say that men should stay out of my bathroom. I don’t hate them (most of the time, anyway).

And illegal immigrants should stay out of my country. It’s not hate—it’s not hatred to enforce boundaries.

'What flag would you suggest be painted in a roundabout to signify dissatisfaction at the woeful charge rate for rape?'

Considering it's a crime against women comitted by men - only suffragettes'.

They didn't quite say "small price to pay" but yes, they were of the view that rapes and sexual assaults were something we'd all have to accept for the greater good.

Extreme right wing or extreme left wing isn’t good, but I’m not sure it’s worth breaking up over.

Just agree not to discuss it all - whatever anyone’s viewpoint, governments do as they do. 🤷‍♀️

It is about hate. Deciding someone is illegal BEFORE their case can be heard is absolutely unjust

Sorry, but you could just send them back without entertaining their cases. They will eventually stop coming.

The safety and integrity of your country should be enough justification. I don’t care about a piece of paper some guy signed 50 years ago. International law isn’t binding. You can safely ignore it.

Why does being concerned about the pace of migration (especially illegal migration) make you a right wing bigot?

You can sympathise with those leaving dangerous, disadvantaged countries and still worry about the risks posed by the arrival and the scale. With the small boats, these are predominantly young men arriving from France - a safe country!

This isn’t about race. Any Brit of any background, can share these concerns. People are worried about safety, integration, and the speed of change. Isn’t naïve to pretend otherwise?

The grooming gangs scandal showed what happens when fear of being called racist stops people from facing reality. Brushing aside debate on migration in the same way is just as reckless.

Too many on the left remain obsessed with the fascism of the past, while ignoring today’s challenges.