Husband has extreme right wing views

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Not sure if this is the right place to post as it's not an AIBU but more of I think my husband is being and I'm not sure what to do about it.

He's getting caught up in some quite extreme right wing views in regards to migrants. Complains about how they're coming in, being housed in hotels, paid allowances etc. with no checks and how crime rates such as rape are now ten fold etc. He thinks Trump is great 😪 He's very intelligent so I'm not sure how he's managed to get caught up in this extremist view point.

WWYD?

What does illegal migration mean?

You are not serious?

Please tell me you understand why we keep men out of women’s spaces? And that single sex spaces are not a sign of an ‘unjust’ society where we understand the safeguarding risk posed by some men so as a precaution apply the same rules to all men?

It’s not ‘harming innocent men’ to have female only spaces btw. Labelling us ‘bad’ for needing single sex spaces just shows how polarised and out of touch your views are.

Your prejudice not mine and many others. These workers who just 'send them back' how will they integrate into our society when they commit mass acts of cruelty and oppression? Will their attitude leach into our society? How many innocent people harmed is ok? Rowers fundraising for a charity chased off ok?
The world you want to create would be a hell scape of harms

Yes. Doing away with due process only serves to undermine every US resident's rights. It's not only the worst of the worst being targeted, is it? What's going on right now is beyond the pale.

The only process they are due is a quick check to ensure they are not citizens or PR. Some additional considerations for asylum cases iirc

The immigration courts are not real courts you know, it’s just a government employee acting as a judge for immigration cases. It’s not actually part of the judicial branch.

I appreciate it might not be the same in the UK

They are asked to produce documentation. They should have an actual work visa, if they don’t, well, they will get deported.

Trump is a narcissistic lunatic imo but he has done some things right. He has reversed Bidens wholesale attack on women’s rights as well as attempting to achieve peace in Ukraine.

This sums up everything that's wrong with politics right now. He looked like he supported one element of gender critical feminism however

1. he isn't arguing against gender as such, just looking at a very regressive definition of it. If you paid attention, he used the word 'gender' when he signed his executive order saying there are only two of them (male and female). He did not say there are two sexes which define what man and woman is, or that gender is irrelevant.

2. He is shamelessly using this point to appeal to parts of the female electorate all while supporting and actively implementing the agenda of the Heritage Foundation which harks back to very dark times for women (attacks on reproductive rights etc.).

3. 'wholesale attacks on women's rights'- who better placed than a guy who loved the perks of being the owner of beauty pageants in which 14 year old beauty queens in their changing rooms could expect to be paid a visit by Trump. He loved it, it's well documented. He thinks nothing of perving at girls, and the connection with Epstein is murky as fuck. But no, sure, he's a champion of women's rights that one. And how about the faith office and all the nutjobs in there? The growing influence on this administration of people who'd rather have submissive wives and one male vote per household? Is that not a wholesale attack on women's rights??

4. ... the biggie: 'attempting to achieve peace in Ukraine'. Seriously laughable. Have you actually paid attention to the Alaskan summit? All kowtowing to Putin. And then the only concrete outcome from that summit was in fact that he decided to do away with mail-in ballots because Putin told him that's how the 2020 election got 'rigged'. Like that's got anything to do with Ukraine and the pressing geopolitical issues of our time. All he cares about is hanging on to power and being part of the Putin-Xie-Un club. He paid lip service to Western allies at the meeting with Zelensky and the Europeans last week but it's become pretty crystal clear pretty quick that he never does anything without Putin's approval. NOTHING has moved in favour of peace. No hard security guarantees and only ridiculous requests that a country that got invaded cede territory unlawfully gained by a notorious dictator. THAT is Trump's diplomacy on display. Unless you're rooting for Putin and his oligarchs I fail to see why anyone in the West would support that approach.

But that's not what has happened in many cases. They are whisked off the street and not given an opportunity to argue their case often for a long time. If they were, it would be a different matter. It's the arbitrary and indiscriminate manner in which it's done that is horrifying. Process does matter. The Habeas Corpus is an important foundation of the constitution, what ICE is routinely doing contravenes it.

So you are happy with a forever war.

It is widely accepted that Trump has done more to try and end this war than anyone.

I don’t think you understand war at all, and have some idealistic view that leaders won’t expand empires despite what every moment in history teaches you.

One thing you might be right about is how the axis of alliances are changing, Trump is certainly getting Europe to step up, for too long we’ve not invested in defence and relied on the US. It’s pretty embarrassing how weak we are now, I could barely watch Starmer at the White House meeting, he’s so pathetic and doesn’t have any sway in world politics,

By the way, I think this thread illustrates how "extremely" out of touch some MNetters are with how fast the Overton window is shifting.

"It seems we are struggling to integrate the people already here, let's reduce incoming numbers and consider enforcing deportations for criminals and raising the bar a bit for ILR" is by this point a very moderate position. On MN this is basically Hitler 2.0.

"I used to think we should deport them all. I don't think that anymore. We should hang them or leave them to die in a camp, and auction off the rights to be the executioner" is a genuinely extremist point of view held by a non-zero number of people. Just look at X. This is nowhere near someone like OP's husband. This is ACTUALLY Hitler 2.0! Farage is the moderate establishment containment option!

Part of my motivation for wanting immigration to be severely curtailed and actively managed is because the more new people who come here, and the more it feels like there is a data cover-up and/or the government doesn't seem in control, the more the pressure builds for people to keep thinking like that and eventually wanting to take things into their own hands.

When I say the above is a "natural" consequence of high immigration I'm not condoning it or saying it's good, I'm saying it's an easily predictable and high likelihood outcome.

I note you didn’t say anything about immigration, which has been largely successful. I am a kind of a single-issue voter on this one.

Obviously any group publishing the real data is going to be smeared, and obviously the only group willing to put in all those information requests is going to be right of centre. But they break down exactly where and how they get the data so you can be sure it's not made up.

And I added similar data from around Europe which replicates the UK results so people can see the patterns.

Incidentally a Swedish trio of researchers, one with a migrant background, did a study on sexual assault against women in Sweden, and accidentally found that the majority of it was committed by people with an immigrant background. So the authorities threatened to prosecute them if they published.

https://portal.research.lu.se/en/activities/63-percent-of-those-convicted-of-rape-in-sweden-have-an-immigrant

https://rmx.news/article/swedish-scientists-prosecuted-for-finding-that-most-rapes-are-committed-by-immigrants/

What ‘mass acts of cruelty’ are they doing? How else do you deport illegal aliens who refuse to self-deport? Send them a strongly worded letter? LOL

Which war zone were the 12,000 Albanians fleeing from when they arrived here on boats in 2022?

You've said it will be indiscriminate without due process...that sounds cruel to me. You want people to enforce your mass cruelty on your behalf ..you think that won't infection our society? Lol

Ha ha at extreme right wing views. Aka common sense

No I didn't. I was simply correcting the misconception about Albanians. Are you suggesting that people don't have any reason to flee Pakistan or seek asylum here?

I know someone ( dh of a friend) who likes Trump. The husband is a nice man (we occasionally socialise with them as a couple) but very traditional in his views and behaviour. Not sure I’d want to be married to him though. He has his reasons for being a Trump supporter that he thinks are logical - I don’t know his views on migrants.

Our adult DD has very opposing views to us, but the other way. We are moderate in our politics and she’s way left and won’t listen to our pov (she says she does but she’s in an echo chamber). We just don’t talk about it.

it is difficult when a loved one has extreme views - have you challenged him on it? Maybe he’s been online and the algorithms are showing him right wing propaganda?

Of course a hot war with Russia is a terrifying prospect but what do you do with an aggressor? There were opportunities way back in the early noughties to pursue a different path with Russia, before Putin went full on hostile. However, for numerous reasons that's not what happened and for at least the last 11 years Putin has geared his entire country's economic model towards war. He will not stop at Ukraine, the goal is USSR 2.0. Right now, Russia is feeling the pain because that war effort is taking its toll. North Korean workers (slave labour as they are actually slaves) are propping up some parts of the economy. It's not looking great. Something could be done now but what is Trump actually doing to put pressure on Russia? If Ukraine is left alone to face defeat, without real security guarantees I promise you that a) A Kremlin puppet will be next to lead the country (truly free and fair elections are hard to organise during a war or after a crushing defeat - a weakened Ukraine would not be able to face the onslaught on its democracy) b) All of Ukraine will be ultimately absorbed in one way or another (after perhaps a few years for Russia to regroup and rearm) c) As stated above Russia will not stop there. The threat will only grow.

Alliances and Europe's defence- I am very pro US but what Trump is doing is flying in the face of what the Americans themselves asked of Europe for decades. The deal always was: the US encourages prosperity in Europe and provides military protection through NATO. That's one of the key reasons why the EU never became a military power. In fact, through its close connection with the US, the UK always put a brake on any ambitions of that nature. That was what NATO was for. Yes, contributions to NATO could and should have been higher but let me remind you how France was always seen as the troublemaker whenever they argued in favour of more independence from US leadership. So the whole Trump argument vis a vis Europe's defence is so disingenuous it's unreal! It really is like a husband talking his wife into never having a career and then leaving her as a destitute OAP saying 'should have made your own money honey'...

The only process they are due is a determination of their immigration status, which is performed by the executive branch.

Deporting people who’ve no right to be in our country is normal. And I think our society will be better for it, yes.

How do you propose America get rid of 10 million illegal immigrants? Just send them a strongly worded letter? What is your plan? Inaction?

The plan: Common decency and an asylum process

...you want masked ICE agents kidnaping people at will...which so far has included citizens and tourists. No need to reply cruelty won you

Are you sure he’s intelligent? He doesn’t sound it. Racist views is one sign of low IQ.

I’d leave him.

I should have said "far right" ideology which is actually what the OP said. Because right wing ideology, as you have quoted here, seems for the most part (not all) fairly sensible.

ICE agents are masked because far-left activist target them and their families (a practice adopted from Mexico, interestingly, because cartels target law enforcement agents).

Asylum seekers have been asked NOT to cross the border illegally. They can have their case heard at ports of entry, but most will be rejected since poverty and gang/cartel violence is not a basis for asylum.

I think this thread illustrates how "extremely" out of touch some MNetters are with how fast the Overton window is shifting

Never a truer statement

MN is so very very behind on what the majority of everyday people think. It is full of luxury beliefs - e.g. giving unlimited homes to migrants. I said upthread that it seems to be a special middle class professional female in particular who is completely utterly out of touch, and I really mean that. The weekend prosecco drinkers with a professional job and 2.4 children - they just want "everything to be nice" - and their totally naive attitude is all over this thread.

Imagine actually leaving your husband because he supports Trump - the president of a country you don't even live in. I think people have lost their minds.