Husband has extreme right wing views

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Not sure if this is the right place to post as it's not an AIBU but more of I think my husband is being and I'm not sure what to do about it.

He's getting caught up in some quite extreme right wing views in regards to migrants. Complains about how they're coming in, being housed in hotels, paid allowances etc. with no checks and how crime rates such as rape are now ten fold etc. He thinks Trump is great 😪 He's very intelligent so I'm not sure how he's managed to get caught up in this extremist view point.

WWYD?

I don’t want to derail the thread onto Ukraine, but ffs are you serious?

Never mind questioning where OPs husband gets his info, where the fuck do you get your information? I’ve no idea how you can say that with a straight face

I was responding the murder quote. And highlighting that correlation does not mean causation and stats need to be taken in the round to ascertain those links. You're the person who has jumped on another example and arguing in poor faith. I did not mention anything about sexual assault or rape statistics. Nor the impact of educational or cultural norms. Though again, if you look at information collated by ONS from police and crime stays there are a lot of caveats about the poor level of reporting of sexual crime and the impact that has on accurately identifying trends.

I am serious. And I am not going to dignify this with a response. Because you clearly have not looked at the news in anyway shape or form since February 2022.

What do you mean by reporting levels?

You have very dangerous views @EsmeSusanOgg

Just to be aware - while official sounding - this is not an official group at all and has been set up by a former Brexit campaigner. Link to a recent post from the Private Eye on this - https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1211496557687614&id=100064818427719

The Eye has a detailed article in a recent edition too.

A note detailed (non pay wall) article from the Byline Times here - https://bylinetimes.com/2024/02/15/another-new-anti-immigration-pressure-group-is-launched-from-tufton-street-and-met-with-reams-of-media-coverage/

... I have an understanding of history, political discourse, and modern diplomacy and macroeconomic trends. Also an understanding of how info-ops and propaganda work in the modern social media landscape.

If you want to call utilising critical thinking skills as 'dangerous views' go ahead. I'm not wrong in my analysis though.

That rape and sexual violence are substantially under-reported and this has a wider impact on data accuracy.

To note, I also have never said cultural factor are irrelevant. I said colour-of-skin taken as a stat on its own is often considered unhelpful. This was in direct reference to Simone using race and murder stats in their own. Because this isolated stat does not take in to account other factors that may have a bigger bearing on a demographics behaviour.

A poster then dived in with a slippery slope/ false equivalence argument about higher rape stats related to Afghani migrants... Not what I have said, just an attempt to derail a debate and falsely put words and views in my mouth that I have not said or expressed.

Underreported in which communities? Because usually minority communities do not trust the cops.

And with criminal reporting, of course the datasets have all sorts of details. Not just race but age and sex, household income, family structure, region.

Race is just as important as those above, although ethnicity is probably more accurate but harder to collect.

Thank you. I know people won't like the terminology de-radicalized - but that's where a lot of the tools and support can be found for countering misinformation effectively. I was giving some pointers that would be quick to Google.

There's a lot of posters jumping on anyone who says that it's ok for OP to be concerned by a dramatic shift in her husband's politics. She describes his views as extreme right wing. Which I and others told k as important context as to the type of content he was watching, and then repeating.

Some of Trump's policies are extreme. Some of the things he and supporters say, like some of the things Farage and supporters say - are extreme. In the very traditional and academic context. They're examples of populism.

But, that does not mean I think people need to agree with everything the government does or says (I certainly do not). I even gave examples, as have other posters, about what is an extreme view (which the OP heavily implied were the sort of comments and sentiments her husband was now expressing) versus moderate.

Someone saying immigration levels are too high, and wanting effective solutions for tackling them is not an extreme view at all - and not something I have said is extreme.

But someone supporting riots outside asylum hotels, someone supporting some of the actions by Trump in his immigration crackdown - they are extreme.

... Sexual assault and rape are underreported in all communities.

People do not go to the police. Mostly because conviction rates are terrible. I know I certainly have not bothered. Nor have many friends.

I'm really not sure what you're trying to get to here. Because it does not relate to the original comment I made.

You imply reporting is the reason for some of the disparities we see, but I very much doubt that. It is well known minority communities underreport the most since they do not trust the cops.

and I have to ask you about this:

But someone supporting riots outside asylum hotels, someone supporting some of the actions by Trump in his immigration crackdown - they are extreme

What is extreme about Trump’s handling of illegal immigration?

As an old person I disagree that this is inevitable.

That doesn't mean you have to put up with it.

Astounding arrogance

How exactly were you expecting me to respond to your obnoxious assertion that I hold dangerous views because I pointed out the concerning rise and normalisation of populism?

Yes many Boomers have utterly refused to grow up and see the world as how it actually is; instead they cling to ideals that have never and will never work.

A huge dereliction of duty tbh.

Sending in the National Guard to force the hand of states who he has said have not acted quickly enough (not right-wing in the left-right economic model, as it is a violation of state's rights). Locking up small children, and separating them from their parents and families when held in deportation centres. Mass deporting people to third countries (not necessarily where they have come from/ through) including the recent high-profile case of someone wrongly deported and sent to a notorious South American prison. Using shackles when transporting people between holding and detention centres. Regardless of appropriateness/ likely flight risk.

As I said, discussing immigration and wanting to have a robust immigration policy is not extreme. But the handling and the language used by Trump - with no proper oversight - is extreme. It's simplistic and photo-op orientated. A clear example of leaning into populism.

So the government can be seen to be processing the asylum seekers quickly and have less people waiting.
People are getting angry about the situation as it feels out of control so the perception is that they are extremely right wing. I think the anger masks fear. The present government don't seem to have the will to be proactive- just reactive.

... Yes? I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here. I am saying the selective use of stats out of context does not prove correlation equals causation. That does not mean that there is no correlation, it does not mean that cultural beliefs never play into actions of different demographics - because that is demonstrably not true. What I am saying is, cherry-picking some stats without presenting them in the context they are often given (when properly analysed and published by statisticians) does not help address issues.

Oh god: he’s not very bright. Is he?

I would consider leaving

We allow mass migration of foreign men :

Men who believe that women have no rights......

Men who believe that girls should not be educated....

Men who believe that rape isn't a crime.....

Men who have never seen a woman's breasts or legs, because all women back home are in Burka's......

Men who have never had sex, and have tons of unspent testosterone pumping around their bodies......

Then you try to integrate them into a society where women dress in shorts and crop tops......

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

They are not fleeing danger. If they were, did they just leave their Mum's, Sisters, Wives and children behind? In the danger, to fend for themselves? REALLY?

The cost to the UK tax payers is £6 Million a DAY

And you are Okay with this Op? REALLY?

WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!

If he thinks Trump is great, he is not “very intelligent”, whatever he tells you!

I feel for you and do think it would be good for you to read up on things to inform yourself, so that you can have a more informed discussion with him and also educate your kids.

DH may not be extreme far right, but i don’t think you can say he’s just of the average ilk of right wing. I know of a far number of Conservative voters (i’m not one, waves at DH family and those i work with) who would def distance themselves from the asylum seeker issue whereas your DH is sympathetic, and would NOT think Trump is great. Anyone telling you on here your husband is just normal right wing is wrong. Trump ignores every rule of law and precedent. His second term as President is proving significantly destabilising for US economics and society, and global affairs.