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Ihateboris · 23/08/2025 12:35

Should be held at the council offices, Government departments, rather than the migrant hotels? After all, it's due to the government's lack of processing that the migrants are there?

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VaseofViolets · 23/08/2025 20:37

Hibernatingtilspring · 23/08/2025 20:11

I really struggle with people who bring up the issue of men evening arriving without women and children, because it's so obvious why that I genuinely don't know if people are trolling.

Fleeing a country and travelling illegally is exceptionally dangerous. It would be far more dangerous for women and children. You send the person who has the most chance of surviving the journey. If their claim is granted, they apply for their family to join.
From my experience of working with (mainly young male teen) asylum seekers, the journeys often take six months or more and involve working illegally along the journey in order to afford the next stage. You can imagine the risks to them, let alone if there were women with them. Back home, its usually the young men who are at most direct risk also, eg of being forced to fight or being targeted for being on the 'wrong' side of whatever regime is in power).

Would you accept the idea that very large numbers of young men from different cultures, and with different values, could be alarming to people, and they’re perfectly entitled to feel uneasy and concerned?

People can understand the reasons you give - but they desire neither the man here now or his family later.

You must surely know the genuine concerns people have: the shortage of housing here; the fact that new arrivals may be poorly educated and speak little to no English; that they may have health concerns putting further strain on a stretched NHS; that they will be working in low-skilled jobs and we don’t need that type of immigration; that added to the financial strain, cultural differences are an arguably bigger problem; they make people uneasy, frightened and less trusting - etc.

Jamesblonde2 · 23/08/2025 20:40

Perhaps people feel it’s important the migrants know the level of feeling towards them trying to illegally enter the country?

BIossomtoes · 23/08/2025 20:42

Jamesblonde2 · 23/08/2025 20:40

Perhaps people feel it’s important the migrants know the level of feeling towards them trying to illegally enter the country?

Bit late when they’re already here.

Jumpthewaves · 23/08/2025 20:43

I don't think they should be happening at all, it's a really poor way to go about things.

Corinthiana · 23/08/2025 20:44

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 23/08/2025 19:21

Don’t they get the boats over from the EU?

Yeah, it must be far better to live in the UK than in the EU, they're actually risking their lives crossing the channel in small boats. It's incredibly dangerous.

LlttledrummergirI · 23/08/2025 20:47

BaileysMacaroons · 23/08/2025 19:39

Apparently they've let in half a million migrants in just 2 years. Who knows if they're telling the truth.

People are angry at what's happened to their country.
Thank the immigration maximalists, Boris and Blair.

Many (most?) of the people who have arrived are unvetted, young men. To put that into perspective we're an aging country, and the average Englishman is 40+.

You must've seen the reports about assaults, sexual assaults, threatening behaviour from some of the new guests. A guy from South Sudan was arrested for loitering outside a school in Manchester with multiple weapons. I saw a video of a man in a migrant hotel, staring into the camera and running his thumb across his throat?? Thanks for the asylum, I'll be outside a school with my weapons now. There's an article in The Express: "School kids warned to avoid migrants." Wtf. Thanks Boris, Patel, Keir, Blair.

You do know that migrants in their home countries would fight tooth and nail to prevent similar influxes? Egypt shoots DEAD asylum seekers trying to cross. Google it. Riddles them with bullet holes, no questions asked.

Do you think Pakistan had buses of citizens out on the streets with placards saying Refugees Welcome, Thank Allah for Immigrants when they kicked out thousands of Afghans recently?

Few other nations but ours and a smattering of Europeans do such progressive things. Brits, Anglos and Northern Euros are uniquely liberal and accommodating compared to other groups. This has worked for us well up until now and now we're in a bit of a pickle. Its actually kind of hilarious how us most progressive of progressive people's has allowed large-scale migration from some of the most insular, least progressive groups on planet earth.

I agree that more of our anger should be at Govt departments because no matter what the public says (votes Brexit gets the Boris Wave) they do the opposite and that isn't the fault of migrants. If they would listen to the people then there wouldn't be these migrant hotel protests.

YANBU
I'm worried about rising totalitarianism and exploit the migrant crisis to curb our freedoms, and I want my kids to grow up in a country that values its borders. So, yes, I support more anger and scrutiny on Government. Agree.

What' have asylum seekers done to the country?

I can also huge number of things that the Tory government did to the country.
I can name some things Labour have got wrong in trying to fix problems.
I can name a lot that reform and those on their side of the political divide are doing.

I can name some things that individuals have done that are not acceptable (not strong enough words I know) in the civilised world.

But I don't think blaming the many for the acts of the few is acceptable either. Any protest should be done through your MP, and that is where any protests should be in my opinion.

R0ckandHardPlace · 23/08/2025 20:50

@TheLizardQueen I live in a city with the highest concentration of asylum seekers in the UK. Yes, we see them out and about for a walk. Sometimes we see them having a kickabout in the park. You wouldn’t even register if you saw a few white men having a game of football or walking down the street.

The only reason the sight frightens you is because they’re brown.

Nevertrustacop · 23/08/2025 20:52

Ihateboris · 23/08/2025 13:54

Oh but they're not racist. Blah blah blah. Yes, right. It is TOTALLY about the colour of their skin.

But loads, absolutely loads of the asylum seekers are white!
It's not racist. They are white.
Albanians, Kurds, Afghanis, even Syrians - most of these people identify as white.

Usernameunavailableagain12 · 23/08/2025 20:52

Coolasfeck · 23/08/2025 13:20

It does amaze me that a huge portion of those outside hotels claim the asylum seekers are criminal leeches when they themselves are often jobless (hence having time to spend shouting outside), have restraining orders against them, don’t see their kids and are on various ‘registers’.

How do you know they are jobless, have restraining orders and don’t see their kids? Bit judgemental much.

Jumpthewaves · 23/08/2025 20:53

BaileysMacaroons · 23/08/2025 19:39

Apparently they've let in half a million migrants in just 2 years. Who knows if they're telling the truth.

People are angry at what's happened to their country.
Thank the immigration maximalists, Boris and Blair.

Many (most?) of the people who have arrived are unvetted, young men. To put that into perspective we're an aging country, and the average Englishman is 40+.

You must've seen the reports about assaults, sexual assaults, threatening behaviour from some of the new guests. A guy from South Sudan was arrested for loitering outside a school in Manchester with multiple weapons. I saw a video of a man in a migrant hotel, staring into the camera and running his thumb across his throat?? Thanks for the asylum, I'll be outside a school with my weapons now. There's an article in The Express: "School kids warned to avoid migrants." Wtf. Thanks Boris, Patel, Keir, Blair.

You do know that migrants in their home countries would fight tooth and nail to prevent similar influxes? Egypt shoots DEAD asylum seekers trying to cross. Google it. Riddles them with bullet holes, no questions asked.

Do you think Pakistan had buses of citizens out on the streets with placards saying Refugees Welcome, Thank Allah for Immigrants when they kicked out thousands of Afghans recently?

Few other nations but ours and a smattering of Europeans do such progressive things. Brits, Anglos and Northern Euros are uniquely liberal and accommodating compared to other groups. This has worked for us well up until now and now we're in a bit of a pickle. Its actually kind of hilarious how us most progressive of progressive people's has allowed large-scale migration from some of the most insular, least progressive groups on planet earth.

I agree that more of our anger should be at Govt departments because no matter what the public says (votes Brexit gets the Boris Wave) they do the opposite and that isn't the fault of migrants. If they would listen to the people then there wouldn't be these migrant hotel protests.

YANBU
I'm worried about rising totalitarianism and exploit the migrant crisis to curb our freedoms, and I want my kids to grow up in a country that values its borders. So, yes, I support more anger and scrutiny on Government. Agree.

I'm very glad that our behaviour as a country does not quite go as far as to riddle people with holes when they are looking for somewhere safe. It's sad to read the glee with which that comment is made. I am proud not to belong to a country that treats people like that.

Bambamhoohoo · 23/08/2025 20:54

Jumpthewaves · 23/08/2025 20:53

I'm very glad that our behaviour as a country does not quite go as far as to riddle people with holes when they are looking for somewhere safe. It's sad to read the glee with which that comment is made. I am proud not to belong to a country that treats people like that.

Yes- I mean it’s obvious people would be desperate to flee such a country where life is so cheap to a place of safety, isn’t it?

VaseofViolets · 23/08/2025 20:55

LlttledrummergirI · 23/08/2025 20:47

What' have asylum seekers done to the country?

I can also huge number of things that the Tory government did to the country.
I can name some things Labour have got wrong in trying to fix problems.
I can name a lot that reform and those on their side of the political divide are doing.

I can name some things that individuals have done that are not acceptable (not strong enough words I know) in the civilised world.

But I don't think blaming the many for the acts of the few is acceptable either. Any protest should be done through your MP, and that is where any protests should be in my opinion.

The UK has voted for political parties that promise to lower immigration for twenty years, and nothing has happened - the speed has only massively increased. There has been more immigration to this country in the last twenty years than in the whole of the preceding thousand years. If voting does not work, writing to MP’s does not work, the political process as a whole fails to uphold the will of the voters - what do the electorate do?

Jumpthewaves · 23/08/2025 20:55

Bambamhoohoo · 23/08/2025 20:54

Yes- I mean it’s obvious people would be desperate to flee such a country where life is so cheap to a place of safety, isn’t it?

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For many immigrants life is not cheap in this country at all. Don't believe all that you read.

BIossomtoes · 23/08/2025 20:55

Usernameunavailableagain12 · 23/08/2025 20:52

How do you know they are jobless, have restraining orders and don’t see their kids? Bit judgemental much.

A significant number of them have criminal convictions for domestic abuse.

Two out of every five people arrested after participating in last summer’s riots had been previously reported to the police for domestic abuse, the Guardian can disclose.

Police data released under freedom of information (FoI) laws shows that 41% of 899 people arrested for taking part in the violent disorder last July and August had been reported for crimes associated with intimate partner violence.

For those arrested by one police force, this figure was as high as 68%.

Jumpthewaves · 23/08/2025 20:56

BIossomtoes · 23/08/2025 20:55

A significant number of them have criminal convictions for domestic abuse.

Two out of every five people arrested after participating in last summer’s riots had been previously reported to the police for domestic abuse, the Guardian can disclose.

Police data released under freedom of information (FoI) laws shows that 41% of 899 people arrested for taking part in the violent disorder last July and August had been reported for crimes associated with intimate partner violence.

For those arrested by one police force, this figure was as high as 68%.

Not at all surprising!

Bambamhoohoo · 23/08/2025 20:56

Jumpthewaves · 23/08/2025 20:55

For many immigrants life is not cheap in this country at all. Don't believe all that you read.

I was backing up your point 😂😭

Jumpthewaves · 23/08/2025 20:59

Bambamhoohoo · 23/08/2025 20:56

I was backing up your point 😂😭

Sorry, I misread, I need more sleep!

TheLizardQueen · 23/08/2025 21:03

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VaseofViolets · 23/08/2025 21:04

Usernameunavailableagain12 · 23/08/2025 20:52

How do you know they are jobless, have restraining orders and don’t see their kids? Bit judgemental much.

They’re the working class, so it’s apparently fine to smear them as uneducated and stupid. Judge away, go to town. Then you don’t have to pay attention to their problems or complaints. Especially on Mumsnet, it’s a smug middle class bubble. Anyone could see Brexit coming down the pipeline if they were paying attention, but the comfortable middle classes write off those they see as inferior. Same thing now with immigration. They proclaim their horror and claim they don’t understand how we could have arrived at this point, when it was obvious that this would be the destination. They think that shouting people down and dismissing their concerns actually works. They could have learned, but no…

IstillloveKingThistle · 23/08/2025 21:06

borderline53 · 23/08/2025 13:22

They’ve got a lot more than the average homeless person.

Exactly this

Usernameunavailableagain12 · 23/08/2025 21:06

BIossomtoes · 23/08/2025 20:55

A significant number of them have criminal convictions for domestic abuse.

Two out of every five people arrested after participating in last summer’s riots had been previously reported to the police for domestic abuse, the Guardian can disclose.

Police data released under freedom of information (FoI) laws shows that 41% of 899 people arrested for taking part in the violent disorder last July and August had been reported for crimes associated with intimate partner violence.

For those arrested by one police force, this figure was as high as 68%.

They were riots though, of course that’s going to attract violent idiots. You can’t assume that people protesting are all jobless perverts on the register who have neglected their kids.

LlttledrummergirI · 23/08/2025 21:07

Jamesblonde2 · 23/08/2025 20:40

Perhaps people feel it’s important the migrants know the level of feeling towards them trying to illegally enter the country?

I think the relatively few loud racists feel that this is important.

The silent majority in my opinion are ok with controlled migration and genuine refugees.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 23/08/2025 21:09

R0ckandHardPlace · 23/08/2025 20:50

@TheLizardQueen I live in a city with the highest concentration of asylum seekers in the UK. Yes, we see them out and about for a walk. Sometimes we see them having a kickabout in the park. You wouldn’t even register if you saw a few white men having a game of football or walking down the street.

The only reason the sight frightens you is because they’re brown.

Good luck with this argument ✊

LakieLady · 23/08/2025 21:09

Viviennemary · 23/08/2025 19:10

Those migrants seem to be drawn to the UK becaise they get better treatment here than in other countries. They aren't even asylum seekers but commercial migrants looking for a better life. We can't take in the whole world.

Of course they're looking for a better life - many are coming from countries where they're persecuted for various reasons, eg speaking out against a totalitarian regime or because they belong to a minority group that was oppressed.

BIossomtoes · 23/08/2025 21:10

Usernameunavailableagain12 · 23/08/2025 21:06

They were riots though, of course that’s going to attract violent idiots. You can’t assume that people protesting are all jobless perverts on the register who have neglected their kids.

More than two thirds with a record of domestic abuse? Purportedly concerned about women and children’s safety. Scepticism doesn’t seem unreasonable.

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