For thinking that the migrant protests ...

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Should be held at the council offices, Government departments, rather than the migrant hotels? After all, it's due to the government's lack of processing that the migrants are there?

You know very well that I meant your post not the post by @hotelinfo

The last time the public was asked we got Brexit. How did that go?

According to the National Centre for Social Researcg, 60% now say it was a mistake, 51% want a new referendum (to undo it) with only 30% opposed; the rest are undecided. This does not suggest that The Great British Public has much trust in its own judgment.

The consequences of Brexit suggest that this caution is well placed.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2021/03/iran-women-and-girls-treated-second-class-citizens-reforms-urgently-needed#:~:text=By%20law%2C%20a%20girl%20as%20young%20as,have%20married%2C%20according%20to%20official%20Government%20figures.

GENEVA (8 March 2021) – Women and girls continue to be treated as second class citizens in Iran, a UN expert says in a report to the Human Rights Council, citing domestic violence, thousands of marriages of girls aged between 10 and 14 each year and continuing entrenched discrimination in law and practice.

“One of the most concerning issues in Iran today when it comes to the rights of women and girls is the issue of child marriage,” Javaid Rehman, the Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Islamic Republic of Iran, said in the report to be presented to the 47-member body on 9 March.

“The Government and other leaders in the country must raise the marriage age now and introduce further policies and programmes to reduce this practice in the country.”

By law, a girl as young as 13 years can marry, while girls even younger can legally marry with judicial and paternal consent. In the first half of the current Iranian calendar year, over 16,000 girls aged between 10 and 14 years have married, according to official Government figures.

Nobody wants those attitudes to women and girls in the UK. When young and older male Iranians come to the uk (very few females allowed over by look of it) do they automatically forget their cultural norms? Or do they continue to believe that women and girls are second class citizens (at best judging by this article)?

Edit: Social Research

And that ‘chain’ has no place in the discussion. It conflates types of immigration and muddies the debate into a nonsense.

Use of the NHS by illegal or asylum-seeking immigrants has no relevance to the number of legal, visa-holding immigrants who work for the NHS. It’s a massive red herring.

Classic authoritarian left. It’s really pointless reasoning with you guys isn’t it? I don’t agree with Brexit, but the consequences of not giving people a say on their future with such huge issues are much worse. The arrogance of saying the people don’t know what’s good for them is infuriating.

Ah I think your motives for supporting this madness are finally becoming clear.

You’d think they would have learnt a lesson from Brexit. And the fact the Reform is polling so high as a sign that people are sick of the current situation with migration. Rather they mess around the fringes complaining about Brexit. As though that’s going to stop people voting Reform.

Weak

If you feel the left is weak, come up with better arguments.

Brexit was a mess because it was a referendum on a principle not a policy.

The lesson from Brexit as demonstrated by surveys and polls is that it isn’t working and people want to reverse it. That will make any government wary of another referendum

Err…. Are you saying the general public should not have any input on how their country is run? Are you a fascist?

Hate to break it to you, but we don’t have referendums for choosing the next government. We have parliamentary elections.

The reason I wouldn't display it is because it's now associated with racists and the far-right.

If there's a national campaign to reclaim it from them and free it of those connotations, I may feel differently.

Even when it’s evidentially the case, as in Brexit?

How do you know they're illegals? That's only confirmed or otherwise once they've been processed by the Home Office. So how do YOU know that they're illegals?

Yes the consequences of not letting people decide can be worse. Mass immigration is a bigger and more far reaching issue than EU membership and public opinion on it is very clear. Ignoring the public and trying silence them will eventually lead to some dark places.

Why do you think I am a fascist?

There have been only three referendums ever across the whole of the UK, all since 1975. Two concerned EU membership and one concerned voting methods. Two were resolved in favour of the status quo and the one that was not (Brexit) is largely regretted.

This rather strongly suggests that referendums are meant to be used sparingly and when they lead to hasty change things can turn out badly, in unforeseen ways.

The only large scale referendum partly in the UK that I can think of that was a force for positive change was the all Irish referendum to ratify the Good Friday agreement.

How did I imply that governments are chosen by referendums?

Then discuss the chain, not one individual

I don’t

I did. I quoted the last link in the chain (at that time) and asked for the conflation to stop.

Who made you the MN police? 😂

Total hypocrisy as many of the protestors are paedophiles, rapists and wife beaters themselves. So, what they're actually saying is "we can beat and rape, but you can't?"

‘many of the protestors are paedophiles, rapists and wife beaters themselves’

Evidence please.