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Ihateboris · 23/08/2025 12:35

Should be held at the council offices, Government departments, rather than the migrant hotels? After all, it's due to the government's lack of processing that the migrants are there?

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SquishedMallow · 24/08/2025 11:33

Livelovebehappy · 24/08/2025 11:31

It will be interesting. I guess we won’t have a totally clear picture of just where we are with this until we have crosses in boxes, and the result.

You do realise we have a large immigrant population that happens to be white don't you ? Not all white people living here are British.

Charlthg · 24/08/2025 11:33

Livelovebehappy · 24/08/2025 11:30

They absolutely will not vote Reform. We have many forums and boards where I live, and very much the majority consensus amongst people of a different culture are that in solidarity with others who are coming here, they would never vote Reform, because many are from generations of immigrants themselves. That’s not to say of course that some won’t vote Reform, but the majority will not. And that’s fine. Voting is a personal choice and you have to do what feels right for you. I haven’t voted Reform, but still can have concerns about immigration.

Nonsense. So you’ve used you echo chamber to decide that you now speak for all second gen and third gen children of immigrants.

You’ll be labelling them racist next for not wanting open borders and mass migration.

SquishedMallow · 24/08/2025 11:33

Charlthg · 24/08/2025 11:33

Nonsense. So you’ve used you echo chamber to decide that you now speak for all second gen and third gen children of immigrants.

You’ll be labelling them racist next for not wanting open borders and mass migration.

Indeed!!!! This thread just keeps on giving !

hotelinfo · 24/08/2025 11:35

@2sidesofcoins - speak for yourself.
For me, the protestors represent everything that's wrong with the U.K.

2sidesofcoins · 24/08/2025 11:37

hotelinfo · 24/08/2025 11:35

@2sidesofcoins - speak for yourself.
For me, the protestors represent everything that's wrong with the U.K.

Everything wrong with the UK? seriously

Hollyohara · 24/08/2025 11:37

This is an excellent article. For anyone who wants to read anything in detail about the old (as in aged) refugee convention.

‘Western states negotiated the 1951 Refugee Convention to deal with the refugee population remaining in Europe after WWII that had not been repatriated or resettled by the International Refugee Organization (IRO)

One of the Convention’s biggest omissions is the absence of a clear path to durable solutions

A second grand omission is the absence of any meaningful burden-sharing or liability mechanism

A third tension is the Convention’s mandate to treat “refugees without discrimination as to race, religion or country of origin” (Article 3).

One last flaw is the Convention’s disregard for the Global South. States from this region were largely absent from the Convention’s drafting, and its ratification and acceptance remain spotty there.

Refugee Law’s Expansion: A Superstructure on a Wobbly Foundation

Over the last seventy years, these original defects were supplemented with additional obstructions.

First comes refugee lawyers’ blind focus on expanding the refugee definition instead of refugee rights. The refugee category of today is much broader than that of 1951. This redefinition was mainly achieved through legislative and judicial expansion, mission creep of UNHCRand academia, and an alliance with human rights law—a discipline under immense stress itself.

Second, at least in the Global North, the Convention has been translated into an unintelligible administrative thicket that is inefficient, expensive, and unpredictable (see also Hamlin, pp. 179-194).

The result of all these trends is universal alienation from international refugee law as embodied in the 1951 Convention‘

«In den nächsten fünf Jahren entscheidet sich, ob unser Asylsystem überlebt»

Europäische Gerichte haben das Asylrecht in den letzten dreissig Jahren ausgebaut und so den Handlungsspielraum der Politik eingeschränkt. Der Jurist und Migrationsfachmann Daniel Thym erklärt, weshalb das riskant ist.

https://www.nzz.ch/international/migrationspolitik-in-europa-ohne-reform-wird-asyl-abgeschafft-ld.1861986

Locutus2000 · 24/08/2025 11:38

Phobiaphobic · 24/08/2025 10:51

How have you got to the point where you think the English flag is something to be ashamed of? Seriously? Would you say that to an American, or a Dane, a Nigerian or a Scot? Why are we the only country that is ashamed of any display of patriotism? Why is it okay for the Palestinian flag to be plastered all over the UK, but not the English or British flag?

Oh stop fucking sea-lioning.

mrshoho · 24/08/2025 11:39

Bambamhoohoo · 24/08/2025 11:14

Is that not because watching news channels is quite old fashioned therefore just represents the older generation who still watch them moving to GB news rather than their “fan base” increasingly on overall?

It means what it says it means. There are now more people getting their news from GBNews channel as opposed to BBC News. I was replying to the post that stated hardly anyone watches GBNews.

hotelinfo · 24/08/2025 11:40

Refirm won't 'stop the boats' anyway. What are they actually going to do differently? Just like Brexit didn't 'take back control' of anything.

TopPocketFind · 24/08/2025 11:40

Hollyohara · 24/08/2025 11:37

This is an excellent article. For anyone who wants to read anything in detail about the old (as in aged) refugee convention.

‘Western states negotiated the 1951 Refugee Convention to deal with the refugee population remaining in Europe after WWII that had not been repatriated or resettled by the International Refugee Organization (IRO)

One of the Convention’s biggest omissions is the absence of a clear path to durable solutions

A second grand omission is the absence of any meaningful burden-sharing or liability mechanism

A third tension is the Convention’s mandate to treat “refugees without discrimination as to race, religion or country of origin” (Article 3).

One last flaw is the Convention’s disregard for the Global South. States from this region were largely absent from the Convention’s drafting, and its ratification and acceptance remain spotty there.

Refugee Law’s Expansion: A Superstructure on a Wobbly Foundation

Over the last seventy years, these original defects were supplemented with additional obstructions.

First comes refugee lawyers’ blind focus on expanding the refugee definition instead of refugee rights. The refugee category of today is much broader than that of 1951. This redefinition was mainly achieved through legislative and judicial expansion, mission creep of UNHCRand academia, and an alliance with human rights law—a discipline under immense stress itself.

Second, at least in the Global North, the Convention has been translated into an unintelligible administrative thicket that is inefficient, expensive, and unpredictable (see also Hamlin, pp. 179-194).

The result of all these trends is universal alienation from international refugee law as embodied in the 1951 Convention‘

Do you have a proper link to that

PandoraSocks · 24/08/2025 11:41

SquishedMallow · 24/08/2025 11:33

Indeed!!!! This thread just keeps on giving !

To be fair, given what Livelovebehappy has said in previous posts about the boat people etc., she is most definitely not a member of the "lefty echo chamber".

You are turning on your own here, I think!

Livelovebehappy · 24/08/2025 11:44

SquishedMallow · 24/08/2025 11:32

So black and brown British people will "automatically not vote reform " ok..... We've got an event bigger problem then I thought then if every single UK born black and brown British person is pro mass illegal immigrants arriving on boats......

That’s not what I said. I think I’ll bow out of this thread now and go enjoy the sunshine. I thought this mornings debate on immigration was going too well. I see the racist accusations are now, predictably, starting to enter the debate, which normally happens when someone starts getting frustrated they can’t get their point across as they like. As much as I like a debate on this subject, I’m not going to be baited to fulfil someone’s agenda.

Livelovebehappy · 24/08/2025 11:46

Charlthg · 24/08/2025 11:33

Nonsense. So you’ve used you echo chamber to decide that you now speak for all second gen and third gen children of immigrants.

You’ll be labelling them racist next for not wanting open borders and mass migration.

No, not going to bite. Enjoy the rest of your day. Hopefully the thread won’t degenerate and be deleted.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 24/08/2025 11:49

hotelinfo · 24/08/2025 11:40

Refirm won't 'stop the boats' anyway. What are they actually going to do differently? Just like Brexit didn't 'take back control' of anything.

They’ve made it quite clear how they’re going to do it.

BlueJuniper94 · 24/08/2025 11:54

Facts shown here by this clearly impartial source say that over half the population believe immigration to the UK should be reduced, 37% of the population think it should be reduced "a lot", only 31% thought migration was "good" for Britain, 63% are either neutral or negative in their perception of immigration to the UK. So, if this was actually a democracy, it would be quite clear what the outcome would be if the public were asked about this.

poetryandwine · 24/08/2025 11:55

Swiftie1878 · 24/08/2025 11:23

Those with visas aren’t in hotels.
Stop conflating different categories of immigrants, please.

This chain was about immigrants of all kinds using the NHS. Conflated by definition. Please keep up

LakieLady · 24/08/2025 11:55

CharlotteBakewell · 24/08/2025 10:15

Genuine question.

The whole boat operation. Surely more needs to be done to find the traffickers and their supplier of these rubber dinghies? Without the boats they wouldn’t be able to make it across. Also the suppliers of the life jackets. Where are all of these supplies stored in France while waiting for the next ‘passengers’?

You can buy lifejackets on Amazon.

And the chandlery at the boatyard a few miles from me sells inflatable boats and outboards, so I'd guess it's similar at French chandleries and yards. An inflatable would fit in a standard size garage, so renting a lock up would be fine for storage.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 24/08/2025 11:56

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Swiftie1878 · 24/08/2025 11:57

poetryandwine · 24/08/2025 11:55

This chain was about immigrants of all kinds using the NHS. Conflated by definition. Please keep up

The thread is about migrant protests. Nobody is protesting about people legitimately here with visas.

TopPocketFind · 24/08/2025 11:57

LakieLady · 24/08/2025 11:55

You can buy lifejackets on Amazon.

And the chandlery at the boatyard a few miles from me sells inflatable boats and outboards, so I'd guess it's similar at French chandleries and yards. An inflatable would fit in a standard size garage, so renting a lock up would be fine for storage.

The UK is working with Bulgaria to seize boats crossing the borders

https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/nca-works-with-bulgarian-partners-to-make-major-seizure-of-small-boats

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 24/08/2025 11:59

BlueJuniper94 · 24/08/2025 11:54

Facts shown here by this clearly impartial source say that over half the population believe immigration to the UK should be reduced, 37% of the population think it should be reduced "a lot", only 31% thought migration was "good" for Britain, 63% are either neutral or negative in their perception of immigration to the UK. So, if this was actually a democracy, it would be quite clear what the outcome would be if the public were asked about this.

Exactly and if the public were asked about this and their views acted on then we wouldn’t have these protests. It’s quite simple really.

PandoraSocks · 24/08/2025 11:59

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Jesus. That is nasty. No need for it.

Charlthg · 24/08/2025 12:02

TopPocketFind · 24/08/2025 11:57

Wow, what an effort. Second only to man in space, when it comes to the depths of human endeavors.

Folks, you can all rest easy now, the migration problem is solved.

poetryandwine · 24/08/2025 12:02

Swiftie1878 · 24/08/2025 11:57

The thread is about migrant protests. Nobody is protesting about people legitimately here with visas.

The chain of quotes there was about immigrant use of the NHS, the need for British jobs, the idea that immigrants may be taking NHS jobs in some manner, etc.

In spite of the well known nursing shortage!

HTH

You got the wrong end of the stick

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