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To have limited sympathy with ds with these GCSE results or am I to blame?

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coffeerevelsrule · 21/08/2025 16:43

I am starting to struggle with the way ds has reacted to his GCSE results, though I also feel a bit guilty and din't know if I should have done more to improve them.

So he got 3x 8s, 4 x 7s, 2 x 6s and failed further maths - taught in hour long sessions once a fortnight after school in Y11 only. One of the 6s was a subject he had originally had as his top A level choice (chem) but he'd been wobbling on that for a while, probably as he suspected it wasn't going as well as it could have. My original reaction was to be thrilled and proud (and a tiny bit relieved) but as his mood has dipped so has mine.

Background is his brother got all 9s 2 years ago and has just got all A stars and an Oxbridge place. He was also head boy, captain of a sports team, very confident all round and insanely driven. I wouldn't say gifted but very competitive and very strategic in how he approached study, revision, Oxbridge prep - everything. DS2 is much quieter, not sporty and not driven. He's bright, whatever that actually means, but not competitive and not especially hard working. Not lazy and actually diligent - would hate to get told off for not doing something, but not burning with curiosity or a desire to beat his best score, or that of his friend, either.

As an only child who's heard nightmare tales of sibling rivalry, I always feared his trying to compete with ds1 and coming up short so I have been careful not to push, not to compare and not to suggest ds1 is a role model to be emulated. I thought that was the right thing to do but now ds2 is disappointed with his results. He wanted a couple of 9s, he thinks he looks 'shit' compared to ds1 and he didn't want any 6s. 'Everyone' has done better, apparently. Maybe I gave the message that I didn't think him capable of what ds1 did, but this is not my view - I just didn't want to cause him stress or make their relationship toxic.

My patience is wearing thin. I didn't push but we did have many conversations about his work ethic, whether he was revising, what he was doing when he came across topics he didn't understand etc. He was always highly resistant to any input from me, insisted he knew best to the point of stubbornness. I also teach one of the subjects (his least fave) and was always offering to help with that, mark answers etc and he was highly resistant, though we did some. He got 7 in that in the end, which I think is good as he hated it but now he is complaining as another friend with a teacher parent got a 9 in that subject despite doing worse in the mocks than him. Yes, ds, but I offered more help and you barely took me up on it! In the mock he finished 25 minutes before the end and insisted 'everyone' had, despite my saying I had never come across high achievers who could do that in my subject, never. But he knew best. His Y10 mocks were a wake up call and he cried then too, but the Dec mocks were better (quite similar to these) so maybe that lulled me into a false sense of security, I don't know.

I feel like saying, 'if you wanted 9s you should have put more work in and listened to advice, now stop complaining!' Would this be unreasonable? His brother is bright but also hardworking and ds2 is less so. This is the consequence and it's hardly a disaster anyway. Or would that be too harsh? I really don't want the same at A level and I think those grades will ultimately be more important than these so I'm wondering do I need to handle it differently and toughen up from the start?

In short, have I let him down by allowing him to coast a bit? DS1 thinks so...

OP posts:
cestlavielife · 21/08/2025 18:06

he got 3x 8s, 4 x 7s, 2 x 6s

More than enough for a levels and uni if that is his chosen path

Move on

postitnot · 21/08/2025 18:07

MargaretThursday · 21/08/2025 17:55

As the middle one, stuck between two siblings that everyone said were really good... I chose not to work because I felt I'd never do as well,so it was easier on my self esteem to feel that if I'd worked, then I might have done as well, than work hard and know I hadn't done as well...

Reading this with interest... DD1 is self motivated, works hard, passed 11+ (just) so at exam-maxhine grammar school, got all 8s and 9s last year.
Younger daughter didn't pass 11+, but only just so I think they are equally clever. She just doesn't work at the subjects she doesn't like which is very frustrating! Especially when she feels stressed at the thought of yr 11, so I gently point out she could do a bit of reading in preparation and she forces off to watch ticktock videos... I think she doesn't want to try to do well so she won't feel she's failed...

WishSheWouldGoAway · 21/08/2025 18:07

I always feared his trying to compete with ds1 and coming up short so I have been careful not to push, not to compare and not to suggest ds1 is a role model to be emulated.

And yet...

Background is his brother got all 9s 2 years ago and has just got all A stars and an Oxbridge place. He was also head boy, captain of a sports team, very confident all round and insanely driven. I wouldn't say gifted but very competitive and very strategic in how he approached study, revision, Oxbridge prep - everything

I bet that your youngest would be happy with those grades but for his brother.

DitheringDan · 21/08/2025 18:08

Students peak at different times of their lives. One of my children got similar GCSEs and just fair-to-middling A levels, took time out to work, and then went headlong at university. He came out with a high First, a subject prize and a master's.

He's been heard to say "If I'd worked like that at school, I might have done really brilliantly." But I don't think he'd appreciate my saying it.

bert3400 · 21/08/2025 18:13

You do know the exams are all a lot harder this year than previous years. My FIL is a GCSE marker and has been for years, he equates them to really hard O'Levels, so convert them to A-C ...and please stop comparing him to his brother, also as long as he does well in his A levels they really don't mean that much ....how often do you go for a job and they ask you about your O'Levels or GCSE 🤔. Btw my son didn't do great, even though he is really bright and clever but he is a lazy little sod, but I have no doubt he will succeed in anything he puts his mind to, he just needs to find the right thing, it certainly isn't going to be biology 😂

wizzywig · 21/08/2025 18:15

AugustSlippedAwayIntoAMomentInTime · 21/08/2025 17:53

Since when were three 8s (A* equivalents), 4 7s (A equivalents) and 2 6s considered unsuccessful.

Honestly.

Is he capable of more? Possibly. But there's nothing wrong with those grades.

I have 0 idea about gcse gradings (im used to a to g). I responding to the issue that he is not happy with what he has achieved.

Bambamhoohoo · 21/08/2025 18:16

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Bambamhoohoo · 21/08/2025 18:16

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wizzywig · 21/08/2025 18:17

@bert3400 do you happen to know if a levels have also increased in difficulty? It seems on the news that an a grade at a level is now the norm

Miffylou · 21/08/2025 18:18

You’re right, but now, while he’s feeling sore and disappointed, is not the time for the serious talk. Leave it until the start of next term.

MumWifeOther · 21/08/2025 18:22

I would start off very sympathetic and reiterate my belief that top marks at this stage, or any, don’t determine success as that looks different for everyone. I would encourage him to find a passion for something he does like and not to compare himself to anyone else.

If he continued moping about past 48 hours my patience would wear thin. I would say that if he didn’t want to be in this situation he should have put the work in, and to let it be a lesson. If he wants to do better in exams going forwards, I would offer my help to formulate a plan as to how he can achieve that. If he doesn’t, that’s also fine too, but pick your hard.

coffeerevelsrule · 21/08/2025 18:23

I think people are unfair saying I compare him to his brother based on the OP. I put the context in about how ds1 did because I think it may partly explain ds's reaction, not because I was comparing them. As I said, I was very pleased at first, and he seemed pleased, but not buzzing, as well. Ds1 wasn't there. Then I went home for a bit and he met some friends. When I picked him up he burst into tears, so I think it was comparing to friends that has sparked his upset, though his feelings about ds1 are in the background presumably,as he mentioned it. But it wasn't me and my reaction that upset him. As I said I've been nothing but positive. I do get that I need to allow him more time than a few hours and I will do - this thread has helped!

Also - ds has not been critical to him or about me to him. Yes, he is a bit precocious - old head on young shoulders and I'm divorced. However, I do not criticise ds2 to ds1 but we do discuss each other I suppose and it goes all 3 ways, which is maybe wrong. The golden child/scapegoat dynamic is NOT US though. The boys are close and both, at different times, accuse me of favouring the other. I think that's a good sign and I've done my utmost best to be fair because I love them both and I'm proud of them both.

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Notsuchafattynow · 21/08/2025 18:26

How did he do in his mocks?

Are his results better or worse?

The time for a 'pull your socks up' teaching moment would have been after the mocks.

Goldbar · 21/08/2025 18:39

OP, the crux of this seems to be as follows - that your DS doesn't set himself clear and realistic goals and that he is unwilling to listen to advice in trying to achieve the goals he does set.

The second is more worrying, I think. It's a real weakness in life not to be able to a) listen to others, and/or b) come across as courteously listening even if ultimately you don't agree with them.

I'd definitely be bringing this up with him, but might let the dust settle post-results first. His work ethic sounds absolutely fine, his priorities are perfectly acceptable, but he needs to own them, listen a bit more and complain a bit less.

It's fine to make different choices. It's even fine to make bad choices. But it's not fine to blame others for your choices.

HowamIgoingtocope · 21/08/2025 18:40

From a parent who's cHild worked his ass off and didn't pass and im totally proud of him. I'd be mortified if you were my mum. Your child has achieved grades some kids would dream of. Yet he's still not good enough for you.

Your gcses don't define who you are. No one cares for them In the world and in all honesty they are outdated and need a continuous assesment process.

It seems to me. No matter what your child does will never be good enough for you. Good job.

boredoflaundry · 21/08/2025 18:42

Has he got a place to do A levels, if so his GCSE’s are now pretty much irrelevant!
just like his a levels will be once they’ve got him to the next stage!

just remind him how he feels today and that DOING HIS VERY BEST to avoid that feeling again on a level results day is all he can do.

as an employer reading those results, I’d be more likely to interview DS 2 - because he looks human! & DS 1 looks robotic (despite my own results being more likely ds1!)

Reallyneedsaholiday · 21/08/2025 18:44

In my opinion, there's far too much pressure put on kids to achieve high GCSE results. If your child achieves 5 GCSEs, grade 4/5 or above, including maths and English, they will never need anymore than that. Its a bonus if they get higher grades in any subjects that they want to continue for A'levels, but all anyone will want to know about in the future, is the highest level of education thay have.
They will also achieve better once they cut back on number of subjects and concentrate on things they have chosen and are engaged with.
Let him ponder overnight, and if he returns to the subject tomorrow, tell him that what is important is that he's in a position to go onto the "next" stage, and that he needs to move forward, learning from what he perceives that he did "wrong", in order to achieve his highest potential in the future, but not dwelling on the past which he cant change either.
My DD didn't get what she needed for her first choice of future education, but we had a similar talk this afternoon. She's secured a place on a college course, that was her second choice, but she will do just fine there.

Missedthis · 21/08/2025 18:48

In short, have I let him down by allowing him to coast a bit? DS1 thinks so...

This is a telling sentence. What was the conversation with your eldest about his brother that led to this?

LSADM · 21/08/2025 18:49

Honestly he’s got fab results, he’s still a child, he’s got more than enough to get on to the next step. Let him be disappointed because he’ll learn from this emotion and push himself that bit more for A levels and degree. But make sure he’s reassured how amazing he’s done and no one’s going to be concerned about his GCSE result when he’s got a degree other than he passed his maths and English

Hankunamatata · 21/08/2025 18:50

Urgh such a tough situation

My dc is happy, not particularly high scores bit passes and I have told him im mildly frustrated that he got grades with minimum effort and he could have blasted it with some more work BUT he got higher grades in subjects he wants to do for A level so im happy enough and have spoiled him

Id go with well whats done is done. Let's focus on the next bit - what do you want to do next. Tell him he gets to be in control of the next bit so pick something he is good at AND enjoys

I always say to mine that life is a curvy path. You dont out work in, you dont get the results you want and then you either have to repeat or adjust your course for the slightly longer way around

nomas · 21/08/2025 18:50

You won’t be doing him any favours by taking the blame for his failures (as he sees them).

He’ll go through life blaming women for everything.

Why are you getting all the blame, why not his dad? He may not be a teacher in that subject but that’s not enough reason for you to be the scapegoat.

Idontdobumsex · 21/08/2025 18:50

Did you set out to put as many wanky words as possible in one post, OP?

Noodles1234 · 21/08/2025 18:51

Firstly his results are good and a lot of students would do anything to have his grades.

To achieve 7+ you either have to be very very lucky or put a lot of extra curricular work in (extra revision, museum visits, watch documentaries etc). This isn’t for everyone.

Sometimes things like this are life lessons, and it’s how they react is important. Some will become more driven and never wish to fail again, others give up. Ensure your support is for the former.

Holdingonfornow · 21/08/2025 18:51

NuovaPilbeam · 21/08/2025 16:55

I might wait a couple of days. Results day emotions are high and he will resent the message.

If you sit down in a couple of days and say "DS, these are good results, your dad and I are proud. But i think you know for yourself, you have the capability for a bit more, if you dig a bit deeper the A-levels you want are there for the taking."

Don't focus on "you could have done better in the GCSEs" - too late now. Focus on "you are in control of how well you do in those A levels, if you put the work in and know you've done your best you will be chuffed to bits on results day."

great post

I’m very much an “as long as you do your best” sort of person, but I suspect in his heart he knows he didn’t. Hopefully it is a teachable moment, when he’s had chance to reflect on it. If he knows he didn’t give his all in his GCSEs then he’s got more in the tank for a levels.

i think the comment above about it being his for the taking is spot on. You can offer to support in any way he needs for his a levels but he needs to motivate himself.

HowamIgoingtocope · 21/08/2025 18:51

Missedthis · 21/08/2025 18:48

In short, have I let him down by allowing him to coast a bit? DS1 thinks so...

This is a telling sentence. What was the conversation with your eldest about his brother that led to this?

And whybwas she wven discussing this with him its not about wether he agrees or not. The kid did brilliantly especially since his year was the most effected by covid. She needs to give him some credit.