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To think if you're that fond/proud of your national flag, you should probably know which way up it goes?

181 replies

Nookfoot · 21/08/2025 15:13

Of all the Union Flags that have appeared, a huge percentage seem to be upside-down.

Now, I agree with the basic sentiment that people should be able to display their national flag if they choose, that flags should be respected. I think it's very sad that the flag has been appropriated by right wing groups/views.

Which ever camp you fall in, if you're going to put it up, put it the right way up. They're really doing the opposite of respecting it other wise!

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MiloMinderbinder925 · 23/08/2025 09:50

Lockdownsceptic · 23/08/2025 09:48

You don’t do your own message any favours by calling your opponents “thick”

I haven't called anyone "thick".

CaptainMyCaptain · 23/08/2025 09:52

Lockdownsceptic · 23/08/2025 09:43

You are not looking in the right place.

I don't know what you mean. I wasn't looking for anything, these were people I knew talking about, in the first case, the school we both worked in. The second person was a Daily Express reader, say no more. There may well be schools that don't put on Nativitiy Plays or mention St. George any more but they are most definitely not BANNED. Parents who object to that should speak to the Head Teacher or Governors of those schools and not spread lies.

I am 70, I started school in 1959 and I don't remember ever celebrating St. George's day during my school life other than mentioning what day it was like other saint's days. It's another case of harking back to a past that didn't exist.

Nagginthenag · 23/08/2025 09:53

Lockdownsceptic · 23/08/2025 09:40

What, like they are suffering now do you mean? Or will a strong economy, fiscal responsibility, pride in their country and having a job make them suffer more?

And all this is going to happen under Reform is it?

Greenwitchart · 23/08/2025 09:54

I just saw a picture on Twitter of some idiot ending up painting the Swiss flag on a roundabout by mistake because they didn't even know what the St George flag looks like...

All that flag shagging is just Farage lovers trying to cause division and showing how thick, ignorant and hateful they are in the process.

PrincessofWells · 23/08/2025 09:55

CaptainMyCaptain · 23/08/2025 09:16

In the run up to Brexit I heard an interview with a lorry driver who was voting Leave. He described how terrified he was with asylum seekers clinging on underneath his lorry going through the channel tunnel. I really felt for him and understood why he was frightened but this had nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit, that was about free movement of Europeans. The problems with lorries in the tunnel seem to have been stopped now which is why the number of people in boats has increased.

Christ, can you imagine how desperate those asylum seekers must have been to do that. It's a pretty narcissistic comment from the driver . . . some might say stupid. And that's the type of people who voted brexit. Racists, narcissists and stupid people who believe anything providing its right wing enough and fits their agenda.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 23/08/2025 09:55

Nagginthenag · 23/08/2025 09:53

And all this is going to happen under Reform is it?

Why not? It's happening in Farage's constituency.

Falseknock · 23/08/2025 09:56

Lockdownsceptic · 23/08/2025 09:37

And your food prices will go up because farmers will have to stop farming.

It went up after Brexit and I still bought my food and olive oil. The super wealthy buying the farm are not farming.

The wealthy own significant amounts of farmland for various reasons, including wealth preservation, portfolio diversification, and as a way to avoid inheritance tax. High-net-worth individuals and institutions are increasingly dominating the farmland market, driving up land prices and potentially pricing out traditional agricultural buyers. This trend of the rich buying farmland is observed in the US, UK, and other countries, with figures like Bill Gates and wealthy investors from other industries all purchasing large tracts of land for investment and other benefits.

https://eastangliabylines.co.uk/farming/the-super-rich-are-hoovering-up-norfolk-land/#:~:text=The%20tax%20issue,the%20amount%20of%20land%20owned.

The super rich are “hoovering up” Norfolk land

Italian counts, Dubai royals, and German heirs now own swathes of Norfolk. Family farms can’t compete

https://eastangliabylines.co.uk/farming/the-super-rich-are-hoovering-up-norfolk-land/

CaptainMyCaptain · 23/08/2025 09:57

PrincessofWells · 23/08/2025 09:55

Christ, can you imagine how desperate those asylum seekers must have been to do that. It's a pretty narcissistic comment from the driver . . . some might say stupid. And that's the type of people who voted brexit. Racists, narcissists and stupid people who believe anything providing its right wing enough and fits their agenda.

Absolutely, they must have been absolutely desperate as are the people getting into unsafe boats. I did have some sympathy for the driver's situation unfortunately, he was too narrow minded to see that it had nothing to do with Brexit.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 23/08/2025 09:59

So what IS the right way for a Union Flag/Jack to go? I seem to recall having been told when I was in the Brownies about a hundred years ago. Something to do with the broad or narrow white bit of the St Patrick flag being at the top left, or not.

We had to draw and colour one, IIRC.

Falseknock · 23/08/2025 10:00

Shedmistress · 23/08/2025 09:39

He isn't Left at all.

Not in the slightest. You should be able to see it by now.

And the 'richness' of farmers, isn't 'richness' in any way. The 'richness' is in the land they farm to grow food and the tools they use to do so. Invesed straight into more seed and animals and feed they buy.

But hey who needs food when you can have solar panels. Yum yum.

The super wealthy were buying farmland because of the tax loop hole. They kept their wealth. The land was not being used to farm that was the problem.

Falseknock · 23/08/2025 10:04

Lockdownsceptic · 23/08/2025 09:40

What, like they are suffering now do you mean? Or will a strong economy, fiscal responsibility, pride in their country and having a job make them suffer more?

Farage will give that to you good luck with that dream.

softlyfallsthesnow · 23/08/2025 10:08

PrincessofWells · 23/08/2025 09:55

Christ, can you imagine how desperate those asylum seekers must have been to do that. It's a pretty narcissistic comment from the driver . . . some might say stupid. And that's the type of people who voted brexit. Racists, narcissists and stupid people who believe anything providing its right wing enough and fits their agenda.

Desperate to leave several safe countries and come to the UK where it's much easier to work illegally and no one checks your identity. They are mostly fit young men who, as a group, are more likely to take risks.

PrincessofWells · 23/08/2025 10:14

softlyfallsthesnow · 23/08/2025 10:08

Desperate to leave several safe countries and come to the UK where it's much easier to work illegally and no one checks your identity. They are mostly fit young men who, as a group, are more likely to take risks.

Your post totally misses the point.

Nagginthenag · 23/08/2025 10:16

MiloMinderbinder925 · 23/08/2025 09:55

Why not? It's happening in Farage's constituency.

Say what, now? 😁

Falseknock · 23/08/2025 10:17

softlyfallsthesnow · 23/08/2025 10:08

Desperate to leave several safe countries and come to the UK where it's much easier to work illegally and no one checks your identity. They are mostly fit young men who, as a group, are more likely to take risks.

You could say the same about the Ukrainians.

LakieLady · 23/08/2025 10:18

iwishihadaname · 21/08/2025 22:43

And should know it’s called the union flag not Union Jack only called Union Jack on a ship

I'm so glad to see this mentioned, @iwishihadaname . I've been resisting pointing it out on the other flag thread for fear of being accused of pedantry!

My ex-RN DF used to get enraged by anyone referring to incorrectly, so it was dinned into me from an early age.

Loadsapandas · 23/08/2025 10:34

Lockdownsceptic · 23/08/2025 09:36

They’ll come.

The sunlit uplands will come?

what do we do in the meantime as our standard of living and health indicators reduce?

can you let me know how to identify when those sunlit uplands come? What will GB society look like?
What features will it have?

LakieLady · 23/08/2025 10:51

Areas that have been targeted include : Newcastle, Tynemouth, Redditch, Worcester, York, Bradford, Birmingham, Warwick, parts of London (I'm not sure on which parts). Some of these are areas with relatively (for the UK) high numbers of long-standing ie 3rd even 4th generation settled former immigrant populations eg Bradford, Birmingham, others are areas close to where Reform is popular eg Newcastle, Tynemouth.

I'm in Sussex and the local paper reported that flags had been put up along the coast road between Brighton and Seaford. Brighton & Hove council announced that they would be taking them down, but last night a couple of local news sites said that the contractors had had to stop removing them, because they were getting abuse from people.

East Sussex County Council haven't said whether they'll be removing them or not, afaik. Demographically, Brighton & Hove is almost bang on the national average for ethnic diversity (74% white) but East Sussex is overwhelmingly white (95% iirc).

I just hope that they're securely tied on. That road gets very windy, and no-one would want a flag blowing onto their windscreen while they're driving.

LakieLady · 23/08/2025 10:56

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 23/08/2025 09:59

So what IS the right way for a Union Flag/Jack to go? I seem to recall having been told when I was in the Brownies about a hundred years ago. Something to do with the broad or narrow white bit of the St Patrick flag being at the top left, or not.

We had to draw and colour one, IIRC.

I was taught to remember it by the phrase "wide white, top left", "wide white" being the diagonal stripe and left being the side that's next to the flagpole.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 23/08/2025 11:20

LakieLady · 23/08/2025 10:56

I was taught to remember it by the phrase "wide white, top left", "wide white" being the diagonal stripe and left being the side that's next to the flagpole.

That’s it, thank you!

Lockdownsceptic · 23/08/2025 14:26

Nagginthenag · 23/08/2025 09:53

And all this is going to happen under Reform is it?

Well it’s certainly not happening under Labour.

Lockdownsceptic · 23/08/2025 14:27

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 23/08/2025 11:20

That’s it, thank you!

Well it soon won’t matter. If the SNP get their way there wont be white stripes to worry about.

Lockdownsceptic · 23/08/2025 14:31

MiloMinderbinder925 · 23/08/2025 09:50

I haven't called anyone "thick".

Thought you’d say that. What was it then?“unintelligent” “deluded” “misguided”? I can’t remember. But it’s all the same to me. These are insults that suggest I didn’t know what I was doing when I voted Brexit. I did. And I’ll be proved right in the next few years.

Lockdownsceptic · 23/08/2025 14:34

MiloMinderbinder925 · 23/08/2025 09:50

I haven't called anyone "thick".

“Exercise in ignorance” That’s just a clever way of calling someone think. Call a spade a spade why don’t you? I prefer to be insulted in plain English. After all I’m too ignorant to understand subtlety.

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