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To think if you're that fond/proud of your national flag, you should probably know which way up it goes?

181 replies

Nookfoot · 21/08/2025 15:13

Of all the Union Flags that have appeared, a huge percentage seem to be upside-down.

Now, I agree with the basic sentiment that people should be able to display their national flag if they choose, that flags should be respected. I think it's very sad that the flag has been appropriated by right wing groups/views.

Which ever camp you fall in, if you're going to put it up, put it the right way up. They're really doing the opposite of respecting it other wise!

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Flaskfan · 21/08/2025 22:48

And this is why you need a dragon on it. You always know which way up it should be.
It also takes a fair bit of skill to draw properly. Especially the curly tail at the end.

Zov · 21/08/2025 22:50

😂

JazzyBBBG · 21/08/2025 22:55

Why are they all at half mast?!

BallerinaRadio · 22/08/2025 07:09

Labradorlover987 · 21/08/2025 22:33

Do you not think this kind of smug snobbery pushes people to vote reform?

Not really they're going to vote for Uncle Nigel anyway aren't they. I can't have a genuine conversation with someone about immigration with someone hanging flags on a lamppost

DontGoJasonWaterfalls · 22/08/2025 07:14

Flaskfan · 21/08/2025 22:48

And this is why you need a dragon on it. You always know which way up it should be.
It also takes a fair bit of skill to draw properly. Especially the curly tail at the end.

The racist lot who organised it in our part of Wales still managed to get the dragon the wrong way around on most of them 🙄

I didn't realise this was happening in England too, we had an upsurge of it specifically in our town about two or three weeks ago. A far right group spearheaded by a bloke who did time for PPI scams claimed responsibility and said it was because there are "too many Pride / Palestine / Ukraine flags up". Nothing to do with pride in the Welsh flag or Welsh identity and everything to do with bigotry.

Ponoka7 · 22/08/2025 08:47

I'm a older woman. I understand the younger, baby making/hormone driven women, being a bit pick me, but it is truly pathetic when it's an older woman, who should have her shit worked out by now. You took the older woman bit out, it was, the-older-pick-me-women. They should use local FB pages as a sociological research.

MrsMiagi · 22/08/2025 18:59

JazzyBBBG · 21/08/2025 22:55

Why are they all at half mast?!

That's as high as the ladders could go from what I saw

wominzy · 22/08/2025 20:03

At a glance it is quite difficult to see whether it's right way up or not. However if done deliberately it is not very respectful IMO.

Anyway, "Flegs" have been the source of much controversy and intimidation in Northern Ireland. I hope that doesn't happen here and now. However, it looks to me like things might escalate eventually. Flags on their own are fine, it's when they symbolise racism etc. they are not so fine. IMO.

CaptainMyCaptain · 22/08/2025 20:07

HonoriaBulstrode · 21/08/2025 21:59

Racists are putting up flags on lampposts.

What evidence do you have that they are racists?

Their Facebook posts mainly.

CaptainMyCaptain · 22/08/2025 20:10

Labradorlover987 · 21/08/2025 22:33

Do you not think this kind of smug snobbery pushes people to vote reform?

I doubt if they care what I think of them.

DdraigGoch · 22/08/2025 20:15

Don't most flags have a short toggle at the top and a long one at the bottom?

A load of small Welsh dragons have appeared on a series of lamp posts near here. Rather small flags, it's a bit pitiful really. I'm not asking for people to use battle ensigns but these are tiny.

TheeNotoriousPIG · 22/08/2025 20:25

Thank goodness that the Welsh flag has a dragon on it, so we can all tell which way up the flag is supposed to go!

As a side note, where are all of these upside-down flags being displayed? (Forgive my ignorance- I live in rural Wales, and don't tend to keep up with politics and the news! We also don't have lampposts for people to stick dragons to...)

Shedmistress · 22/08/2025 20:29

Oh my God the self rightous leftie meltdowns.

It is a sight to behold.

AbundanceofKatherines · 22/08/2025 20:31

Of course there’s no problem with flying flags. Any flag. However, they should only be hung on your own property (with planning consent, if appropriate - eg relating to the height and positioning of any flagpole), or with the express permission of the property owner. Afaik the various councils have not given permission for these flags to be hung on lampposts, etc. The upside down issue is a bit smug and superficial.

leahnejade · 22/08/2025 20:32

What is the uk being saved from?

CaptainMyCaptain · 22/08/2025 20:32

Shedmistress · 22/08/2025 20:29

Oh my God the self rightous leftie meltdowns.

It is a sight to behold.

Hardly a meltdown.

Velmy · 22/08/2025 20:48

HonoriaBulstrode · 21/08/2025 21:59

Racists are putting up flags on lampposts.

What evidence do you have that they are racists?

Their Facebook post claiming that Muslims, or illegals, or whoever are offended by their flags, despite none of them being able to identify a single instance of this actually happening.

If they were that proud of their flag they'd have been flying it already, not just getting around to it now because they think it'll upset immigrants.

And it's always, always the absolute thickest people you know.

Nagginthenag · 22/08/2025 21:13

CaptainMyCaptain · 22/08/2025 20:07

Their Facebook posts mainly.

Yes indeedy. We are swamped with half mast, upside down flags, people 'taking back control', of what, I have no idea. Rascist, mostly thick as mince. They have no intention of doing anything personally to improve their lot, or take any personal responsibility for their lives, just want to blame someone else for their woes. The 2 main protagonists are well known for arriving on the pub doorstep at 10.59 and staggering home at about 6pm, smoking a spliff on the way. I'm surprised they didn't fall off their ladders.

Charlthg · 22/08/2025 21:14

What a pathetic attempt to show your disdain for people wanting to put up a national flag.

By the faux dislike of them being out up wrong.

Look, if you’re going to show your rabid far left hatred for the country, just come out and say it. Why make up some weird argument about how they’re displayed.

Charlthg · 22/08/2025 21:16

Nagginthenag · 22/08/2025 21:13

Yes indeedy. We are swamped with half mast, upside down flags, people 'taking back control', of what, I have no idea. Rascist, mostly thick as mince. They have no intention of doing anything personally to improve their lot, or take any personal responsibility for their lives, just want to blame someone else for their woes. The 2 main protagonists are well known for arriving on the pub doorstep at 10.59 and staggering home at about 6pm, smoking a spliff on the way. I'm surprised they didn't fall off their ladders.

This post is a great demonstration of why why Brexit happened and why Reform will be the next government.

Keep calling people names. Calling other people thick as mince and then squealing when you don’t like how their electoral choices affect you. Who’s the thick one now.

Nagginthenag · 22/08/2025 21:19

No issue with an St George flag, or a union flag. Do have an issue with the rabid racist, stupid sentiments going with them. There's nothing celebratory or joyous about the current incarnation. The current influx is giving off National Front, skinhead, doc marten wearing yob rather than a lovely nod to the great aspects of our country and culture.

Nagginthenag · 22/08/2025 21:21

Charlthg · 22/08/2025 21:16

This post is a great demonstration of why why Brexit happened and why Reform will be the next government.

Keep calling people names. Calling other people thick as mince and then squealing when you don’t like how their electoral choices affect you. Who’s the thick one now.

Never uttered a word about people's electoral choices. I live in the thick of this shite. I know these people. They share a brain cell. I see the behaviour. It directly impacts my life, and not in a good way.

Nagginthenag · 22/08/2025 21:25

And Brexit happened because people were lied to by the incumbent government, and did not, in any way, understand the implications of their vote, because they believed every lie they were fed, and didn't bother to do any research themselves thick as mince

user1471453601 · 22/08/2025 21:42

Patriotism clearly means different things to different people.

To me it means gladly paying my taxes, respecting my neighbours and my neighbourhood. And if I ever felt the need to fly the Cross of Saint George or the Union Jack (and in my 74 years, ive yet to feel the need) id make sure I was flying it correctly.

What has happened in Essex is a disgrace and a stain on my country in my opinion.

The fact that 41% of those found guilty in Rotherham for trying to set fire to a hotel also had previous for domestic abuse says all I need to know. The fact that this was replicated in the recent riots in NI just confirms my view.

Please note, that last para is a fact not an opinion. We are all allowed our own opinions, we are not allowed our own facts.

Charlthg · 22/08/2025 21:45

Nagginthenag · 22/08/2025 21:21

Never uttered a word about people's electoral choices. I live in the thick of this shite. I know these people. They share a brain cell. I see the behaviour. It directly impacts my life, and not in a good way.

So you think the movement around flags points to the subscribers of it being thick?

Like I say, Brexit. That was meant to be a lesson about what happens when you call the electorate thick.

I suppose you’ll be calling all Reform voters thick too.